Jonboi

3y

I think I was in a bit in denial about this.
Always used to think he had help but he always had the most input, bar for bar.
Hearing he didn’t write Violent Crimes at all was a big blow.
Hearing the reference for Jesus Lord is the point at which I cease bringing up Kanye in the arena of great rappers. Great producers, great artists, sure.

Marvin

3y

Violent Crimes is ass, isn’t it weird how his s*** with writers is worse than the music he wrote himself?

Furthermore, who cares about being a great rapper when you can be in that all time discussion as far as influential / greatest music figures.

HOV INNOCENT

3y

It does but there was a reference done by someone, as you can hear in the LP1 version where the verse cuts between Kanye and the reference

Even tracks with Kanye tells aren’t necessarily all written by him, he either adds them or the writer thinks of Kanye in their head. Ant Clemons does a great job impersonating Kanye on the references for All Dreams Real and Cash to Burn

Marvin

3y

Violent Crimes is ass, isn’t it weird how his s*** with writers is worse than the music he wrote himself?

Furthermore, who cares about being a great rapper when you can be in that all time discussion as far as influential / greatest music figures.

theshen

3y

I feel you bro it is conflicting esp when we found out Pardison wrote all of Violent Crimes lmao

but I kinda get it, Kanye West the brand is in a sense just that, a brand. And its a brand that plays off the celebrity persona, plays off the headlines and what hes going through in his personal life. And he essentially has teams of hundreds of people contribute to his art. Even tho s*** might be ghostwritten the final product still feels authentically kanye and thats impressive

Every time this conversation happens it reminds me of when ye said that he is Shakespeare in the flesh... which is interesting because theres many theories that Shakespeare wasnt exactly one person, but a collective of the best writers/artists at the time all contributing to bodies of work that stood the test of time. In that sense Ye is kinda right

jynth

3y

whether he writes or not nowadays idc anymore but im not using anything TLOP-onwards as proof of his “musical genius”, even if the music is good. u can’t be a genius when somebody else is producing, writing and mixing for u. at that point ur just an A&R

it’s usually obvious when kanye is the main contributor on the verses

LateReg

3y

It's an unwinnable argument with people who think otherwise because you have to get into a different type of mentality. What he's doing now is not much different than what he did at the start of his career - gathering up the most important artists in the game and somehow crafting a cohesive album. He's just become more and more akin to a director rather than a musician over time, which is what people don't accept. It's still his overarching vision and he's the only one capable of executing it.

Also the notion that Kanye ruins his songs when he jumps on them is the same s*** that's always been spit since his first albums. He'll never be viewed as a great rapper, not even when he was a great rapper. And his "awfulness" has always been exaggerated. It's foolish. The man has unmatched charisma and pathos, I don't need perfection from him.

LOVE

3y

Source of the writer not being Kanye for violent crimes

theshen

3y

Lmao source is ye himself

https://mobile.twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1046452160307769346?refsrc=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1046452160307769346%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-18345884663114874613.ampproject.net%2F2108280007001%2Fframe.html

BrickellBayside

3y

I can't imagine that this isn't a common occurrence tbh

No one writes all of their s*** all of the time.

MCMIC13

3y

Exactly, I think trump was the only president that didn’t have a ghostwriter

Pokerking4128

3y

But I mean sometimes is so depressing when something leaks and it appears that he actually doesn't come up with some small stuff. Like with Violent Crimes.
I guess it's time to treat Kanye like a kpop band.

KOLLAPS

3y

kanye been a kpop tier artist since graduation where tf u been

KOLLAPS

3y

kanye been a kpop tier artist since graduation where tf u been

Pokerking4128

3y

Waiting for a feat

KOLLAPS

3y

kanye x lisa

JeniaH

3y

So why rooga not credited as a writer on jesus lord?

Pokerking4128

3y

Nah, actually a fan of Ye since like Cruel Summer era, but s*** started to get pretty bad just in recent years.
At first it was like: Ok, Kanye has some people in studio to come up with some themes, brainstorm some ideas .
Than it turned into: Ok, some dude wrote that line and some dude wrote another one.
Now it's: Ok, some dude is saying exact same words that Kanye said on the final song, and he also rapping from Kanye's perspective.
Actually, nowadays it's like: Wow, there is a chance that Kanye really wrote that dope verse, but I'm unsure.