Sep 8, 2021·1 replywould love for him to focus on improving his pen game by writing himself
Sep 8, 2021
vagabondsits some verses on donda where i really hope he wrote it lmao
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Sep 8, 2021
YANDHIi get why people misunderstand what goes on but the comparisons just awful.
He told yall he was tryna be Shakespeare in the flesh but we making comparisons to A&R's, KPOP writers and DJ Khaled
Speaks to a wider misunderstanding of what being a "producer" actually means and the difference between producers and beatmakers
Why Kpop writers are bad? JYP, black eyed pilseung, Monotree team, they are all pretty talented and dope people. Khaled orchestrated some hits back in the days, so, on the other hand, why should he be treated like Khaled ( I mean badly) for those actually good songs like Nas Album Done, and not like Kanye who some people see as that genius without which the magic won't happen.
Mmm Hmm 😆Sep 8, 2021·1 replybe2sanewould love for him to focus on improving his pen game by writing himself
He's already done that
Sep 8, 2021·1 reply
TheZuckerJay Z can write for anyone. He wrote all of Still Dre including the Snoop parts.
Yes but I don't think lupe and royce would accept that
Those rappers pride themselves on having a great pen- Sep 8, 2021Mmm Hmm
He's already done that
i mean becoming an elite rapper so that will take a couple more writing sessions
- Sep 8, 2021·2 repliesPokerking4128
Yep, and what even worse, I'm not a fan of Drake per se, but Drake got so much s*** for Quentin situation, and that's as wack as Kanye's writing process, but Drake's writers team is either top notch, or he writes bars and didn't submit to backseat as hard as Kanye.
But who was it that said that producers always get a pass when it comes to having ghostwriters? Somebody mentioned Ye and Dre in that regard. Was it Push? I think that's pretty much an established truth within the form.
- Sep 8, 2021·1 reply
jynthwhether he writes or not nowadays idc anymore but im not using anything TLOP-onwards as proof of his “musical genius”, even if the music is good. u can’t be a genius when somebody else is producing, writing and mixing for u. at that point ur just an A&R
it’s usually obvious when kanye is the main contributor on the verses
I doubt kanye ever mixed his own s*** though. And actually yes you can still be a genius with others doing all the other roles.
It takes a genius to realize who he needs to do what where to complete his vision.
Did beethoven play any instruments on his tracks?
- Sep 8, 2021·1 replyLateReg
But who was it that said that producers always get a pass when it comes to having ghostwriters? Somebody mentioned Ye and Dre in that regard. Was it Push? I think that's pretty much an established truth within the form.
Do you mean ghostproducing? Kanye explicitly stated that he wanted to become a producer and then he wanted to become a rapper. Maybe Dre has a fetish of reading other people's lines I don't know, but Kanye established himself as a rapper, and had pretty much a standard solo albums.
- Sep 8, 2021·1 replyTheZucker
That's a very Kanye verse lol.
maybe but it’s the flow that has me skeptical
Sep 8, 2021he has written enough stuff. he wrote LOTP. it doesnt really add much to my listening experience if he did or didnt write a hook tbh
also you guys dont get how refs work. kanye has a ref for vory's part on NCLB, but people assume vory wrote it. refs get passed back and forth
- Sep 8, 2021MCMIC13
I doubt kanye ever mixed his own s*** though. And actually yes you can still be a genius with others doing all the other roles.
It takes a genius to realize who he needs to do what where to complete his vision.
Did beethoven play any instruments on his tracks?
Dude, you a***ogy with Beethoven, I just can't, ok, so just for you I explain, let's say Beethoven made midi tracks in Ableton by clicking mouse in the right spots, do you understand?
- Sep 8, 2021·1 replyPokerking4128
Do you mean ghostproducing? Kanye explicitly stated that he wanted to become a producer and then he wanted to become a rapper. Maybe Dre has a fetish of reading other people's lines I don't know, but Kanye established himself as a rapper, and had pretty much a standard solo albums.
Kanye is definitely viewed as a producer first and foremost. But I agree that he became more than that and has standard solo albums.
Sep 8, 2021I really want to know how much of donda he wrote, we know he wrote hurricane hook at least
- Sep 8, 2021
tomorrow volversea lot of Kanye fans would say that Donda isn't a great album though, especially when compared to his previous works. writers don't always make the song better. Kanye uses more writers than anyone and still has awful verses. so you can only really argue that if the majority of people (not the majority of ktt2.com) feel like the product is truly great
It boils down to having the right writers who understand the whole theoretical aspect of the sound composition.
Pop /rnb artists have hits made for them down to the smallest detail and the writing team puts together a sure shot hit.
Rappers rap with hopes of having a hit, but might not be working towards creating that hit by any means(aka hiring a write for some parts)
- Sep 8, 2021LateReg
Kanye is definitely viewed as a producer first and foremost. But I agree that he became more than that and has standard solo albums.
Wasn't it something that he at some point was angry about, about people seeing him as a producer when he clearly wanted to be viewed as rapper.
Sep 8, 2021·edited·10 repliesJail - 100% Kanye
God Breathed - 100% Kanye
Off The Grid - Flow on hook Pusha, verse 100% Kanye
Hurricane - 100% Kanye verse
Praise God - Kaycyy
Jonah - 100% Kanye
Ok Ok - 100% Kanye
Junya - 100% Kanye
Believe What I Say - 100% Kanye
24 - Kaycyy
Remote - 100% Kanye
Moon - Don/Cudi with Kanye vocals at the end
Heaven and hell - 100% Kanye
Donda - n/a
KMSA - Cyhi/Royce
Jesus Lord - Some of the lines Rooga, mostly Kanye
New Again - 100% Kanye
Tell The Vision - n/a
Lord I Need You - 100% Kanye
Pure Souls - 100% Kanye
Come To Life - 100% Kanye
No Child Left Behind - 100% KanyeIm referring to kanye’s parts on the album, it’s really not like you say it is tbh, exaggerated.
- Sep 8, 2021Pokerking4128
WHAT? I thought rap is a genre that has roots in poetry, so if someone writes your raps and someone makes your beats then what do you do?
RnB/Pop requires something that maybe is in genetics like looks, stamina to dance, or voice to sing in many octaves, rap requires non of that. Rappers like Playboi Carti and others, are already turning it from poetry into some kind of chaotic words autotuned vibefest. Do you even need writers for Stop Breathing Stop Breathing Stop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop BreathingStop Breathing Stop Breathing?Hey that line is poetry unto itself...
- Sep 8, 2021·1 reply
RIP PRINCEBlockbuster movies arent made by one person
Blockbuster albums like donda arent either @op
But Tarantino doesn't play in his movies with CGI overlay on his face of DiCaprio doing emotions.
- CKL TML 🌺Sep 8, 2021·1 replyYayo· edited
Jail - 100% Kanye
God Breathed - 100% Kanye
Off The Grid - Flow on hook Pusha, verse 100% Kanye
Hurricane - 100% Kanye verse
Praise God - Kaycyy
Jonah - 100% Kanye
Ok Ok - 100% Kanye
Junya - 100% Kanye
Believe What I Say - 100% Kanye
24 - Kaycyy
Remote - 100% Kanye
Moon - Don/Cudi with Kanye vocals at the end
Heaven and hell - 100% Kanye
Donda - n/a
KMSA - Cyhi/Royce
Jesus Lord - Some of the lines Rooga, mostly Kanye
New Again - 100% Kanye
Tell The Vision - n/a
Lord I Need You - 100% Kanye
Pure Souls - 100% Kanye
Come To Life - 100% Kanye
No Child Left Behind - 100% KanyeIm referring to kanye’s parts on the album, it’s really not like you say it is tbh, exaggerated.
Yeah not even u believe kanye wrote 100% of his parts on all these tracks
Sep 8, 2021·1 replywhere are we getting that he doesn't write most of his s*** anymore?
- Sep 8, 2021CKL TML
Yeah not even u believe kanye wrote 100% of his parts on all these tracks
Which one do you think he didn’t write?
- CKL TML 🌺Sep 8, 2021·2 repliesragedsycokiller
where are we getting that he doesn't write most of his s*** anymore?
When someone wrote a song about his daughter
- Sep 8, 2021
rich scouserThing is a reference track doesn't mean the person wrote it
It's just a reference track to hear that person's take on it. Their flow, delivery etc
Like how we Travis and Kanye versions singing the FML hook before Weeknd hopped on it for the official. Like how Ye and Cole each had a reference track for the same Rihanna song leak with the same bars iirc
I'm not saying that a reference track doesn't mean they didn't but it's far from definitive proof. We shouldn't misunderstand what reference tracks are for
I work with vocalists all the time who come up with hooks, and i record my own reference track (on my iphone like Ye) and send to them so they can see my vision and re record.
Delivery is everything...
- Sep 8, 2021·1 replyDonutHole
Yes but I don't think lupe and royce would accept that
Those rappers pride themselves on having a great penWell yeah but Hov pen different. He's lazy now but his way with words is unparalleled.