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  • Jan 18, 2021
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    Einstein was also racist

  • Jan 18, 2021
    ANIME

    Einstein was also racist

    his views changed after he moved to the us in 1933

    bbc.com/news/science-environment-44472277

    When he moved to the US in 1933 he was taken aback by the separate schools and cinemas for blacks and whites and Einstein subsequently joined the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

    He is said to have told people that he saw similarities in the way Jews were being hounded in Germany and how African-Americans were being treated in his new homeland.

    He chose Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, a historically black college, to give one of his most damning speeches just a year after the end of World War Two.

    His diaries are full of gut reactions and private insights. In the context of the 21st Century they may tarnish the reputation of a man who is revered almost as much as a humanitarian as a scientist.

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    Super Mario

    but why

    The history of philosophy was full of bozos who inked some racist and misogynistic ideas like Kant’s Geography or Hegel’s Anthropology, but that does not discredit their ideas or their influence on contemporary thought. Marx developed his critique of political economy based on his reading of Hegel’s Philosophy of the Right and his Phenomenology. Even anti-colonial thinkers like Frantz Fanon and Glissant were indebted to Hegel for his reconceptualisation of the dialectics, something he developed from Aristotle as well.

    Kant problematised Descartes’s theory of subjectivity and primacy of thinking and he drove philosophy in new directions that would investigate experience from a systematic way and finally suspend the distinction between the rationalists and the empiricists. These idea served to be the founding principles of, for example, anthropology.

    As far as Heidegger is concerned, you have to investigate for yourself whether his nazism surfaces in his writing in any form outside of the Black Notebook. Heidegger has changed the course of the history of philosophy with Being and Time to the extent that the last century was essentially marked by philosophers’ rejection of his philosophy or their acceptance. His close readers in the 20th century were Derrida and Levinas, both of which were also Jewish. Also, you may find Paul Celan’s visit to Heidegger after the war illuminating, especially since Celan was a Holocaust survivor. Even among the postcolonial thinkers like Spivak or feminist thinkers like Donna Haraway, Heidegger remains an inspiration and influence.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that, focus less on the history of philosophy and investigate their philosophies. Trust me, I’m doing my PhD in philosophy and there’s nothing more infuriating than reading Kant saying Arabs are savages who only knows how to kill while taking this domain of knowledge as my profession, but if we are going to turn a blind sight to these thinkers then we stop doing the necessary work of fighting against them and their influence.

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    sace

    so what's next? inventors? scientists? mathematicians? filmmakers? authors? etc etc

    if Daniel Hale was a killer, would you not want a heart?
    If Carl Benz was a racist, would you stop driving cars?
    I can't help we jump in these bodies and you called them a god
    Just know the Earth is just a rock without the voices of art

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    The history of philosophy was full of bozos who inked some racist and misogynistic ideas like Kant’s Geography or Hegel’s Anthropology, but that does not discredit their ideas or their influence on contemporary thought. Marx developed his critique of political economy based on his reading of Hegel’s Philosophy of the Right and his Phenomenology. Even anti-colonial thinkers like Frantz Fanon and Glissant were indebted to Hegel for his reconceptualisation of the dialectics, something he developed from Aristotle as well.

    Kant problematised Descartes’s theory of subjectivity and primacy of thinking and he drove philosophy in new directions that would investigate experience from a systematic way and finally suspend the distinction between the rationalists and the empiricists. These idea served to be the founding principles of, for example, anthropology.

    As far as Heidegger is concerned, you have to investigate for yourself whether his nazism surfaces in his writing in any form outside of the Black Notebook. Heidegger has changed the course of the history of philosophy with Being and Time to the extent that the last century was essentially marked by philosophers’ rejection of his philosophy or their acceptance. His close readers in the 20th century were Derrida and Levinas, both of which were also Jewish. Also, you may find Paul Celan’s visit to Heidegger after the war illuminating, especially since Celan was a Holocaust survivor. Even among the postcolonial thinkers like Spivak or feminist thinkers like Donna Haraway, Heidegger remains an inspiration and influence.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that, focus less on the history of philosophy and investigate their philosophies. Trust me, I’m doing my PhD in philosophy and there’s nothing more infuriating than reading Kant saying Arabs are savages who only knows how to kill while taking this domain of knowledge as my profession, but if we are going to turn a blind sight to these thinkers then we stop doing the necessary work of fighting against them and their influence.

    great post, appreciate it

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    yall act like we can only either praise these guys without criticizing anything theyve done or cancel them once and for all

    why cant we acknowledge what they did but still call them out for being racist and sexist

  • Jan 18, 2021
    Kanye mess

    if Daniel Hale was a killer, would you not want a heart?
    If Carl Benz was a racist, would you stop driving cars?
    I can't help we jump in these bodies and you called them a god
    Just know the Earth is just a rock without the voices of art

    maybe we just return to monke

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    You guys are so f***ing annoying.

    Most people who did crazy inventive or big things during their times turned out to be pieces of s***. That's how it usually is, very few people are just all around saints. Most do f***ed up s***.

    The fact that you cant separate the works they did from the people themselves just shows how smooth brained you are.

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    ANIME

    Einstein was also racist

    And he married his cousin.

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    Damn I'm never using the categorical imperative ever again

  • Jan 18, 2021
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    John Mauve

    Damn I'm never using the categorical imperative ever again

    You’d be doomed if you did

  • Jan 18, 2021
    Sand Man

    And he married his cousin.

    Pause

  • Jan 18, 2021
    stingray

    You’d be doomed if you did

    I never did really it was a banter. I lied, which is something I don't do but can't will this as a universal law!

  • Jan 18, 2021
    frenchpress

    camus wins again

  • Jan 18, 2021

    op you have to put these things in context

  • Jan 18, 2021

    You have to look at these people in the context of their era and also look at their work more than their personal lives

  • Kengi 💭
    Jan 18, 2021

    Honestly this s*** isnt just important. You can have this discussion forever and at the end of the day Kant is already dead and his philosophy already influenced mankind.

    I dont think when discussing old philosophers’ there is a reason to choose sides tbh. In the end you will never change anything about them regardless.

    What you can discuss however is how you apply their ideas into your life etc.

  • Jan 19, 2021
    Super Mario

    If you look through the Names like Kant, Hegel, Heidegger etc. People often see great men who brought Mankind into a new era of civilisation.

    But the truth is that most of them were full weirdos and scums.

    Kant was a racist
    Hegel was a racist
    Heidegger was a full NAZI memeber and racist
    Voltaire was a racist
    Hannah Arendt defended segregation (as a holocaust survivor)
    Aristoteles was sexist
    Hume defended slavery and saw it as necessary

    you do realize that literally the entire population of those times were racist and sexist right ?

  • Jan 19, 2021
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    FlyMx

    F*** all these weird ass white boys and our educational system for shoving their ideology down our throats. Think about how absolutely f***ing sick it is the amount of time POC have to spend in school learning and regurgitating the ideology of niggas who thought of them as savage, sub-human, and lesser than I’d rather listen to Pac

  • Jan 19, 2021
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    A Mad Ass Nigga

    nigga why you so mad

  • This really makes me wonder how well be looked at in the future. There's no way they're gonna be happy with us letting child slaves make our phones and clothes or how we torture animals for food.
    Judging past people based on societal standards of today will always be tricky. That's not to say they weren't bad people but it's crazy how the norms change

  • Jan 19, 2021
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    imShy

    nigga why you so mad

    I’m not mad g I just agree with the post

  • Jan 19, 2021

    People are scum. What is up with ktt and this virtue signaling s*** it’s mad annoying.

  • Jan 19, 2021

    fellas need to learn to separate the art from the artist

  • Jan 19, 2021
    KURCOBANE

    yall act like we can only either praise these guys without criticizing anything theyve done or cancel them once and for all

    why cant we acknowledge what they did but still call them out for being racist and sexist

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