DZE

2y

You see how certain folks are terminally invested in social conformity. No one really cared about Chris Rock in that situation, they only cared that someone would have the audacity to deface that “prestige”. Their sense of control felt that slap just as vividly

class wario

2y

the thing about whataboutery/hypocrisy takes is that its just an argument in favour of getting rid of whatever ur using to make the comparison and in no way justifies or defends what ye did so it's basically meaningless

Tuneout

2y

I agree with you. Im not trying to make excuses. I just know how horrible and scary it is when you;re going through it. In my experience it was like i was in a different humans body and i actually thought I died at one point. It was just so surreal and so outside of what i realize was possible for human to experience, it makes me cast aside any judgment of people wiht the same issues. If i had my episodes broadcast to the world and everyone being mean to me about the crazy things i was saying I would have killed myself. I just cant imagine what thats like you know. I want him to get help I just think the making fun of people the disease isn’t the help people need. It hurts the people impacted the the things he says too.

The Darkest Angel

2y

Yeah it says a lot that what bothers them the most isn't what Ye said they're more concerned that other billionaires and corporations are hypocrites. Where these people born yesterday? Of course they are but Ye is still wrong both those things can be true

poolboy

2y

no s*** the things kanye said are so stupid, uninformed and can cause genuine damage. it's a real shame that a Prince / Warhol / Beatles / Bowie level artist and icon is so unapologetic about ruining his generation defining legacy

BUT - lots of "do as i say, not as i do" going on right now.

the talent agency CAA that dropped kanye from their roster in response to this situation is factually proven to have aided harvey weinstein in arranging the private meetings where he would conduct his abuse. but, once a controversial black man uses WORDS, not actions, they kick him to the curb?

adidas has every right to drop Ye. but i think its complete bullshit that they want to drop kanye and be all noble while simultaneously saying "we'll continue to sell yeezy designs without his name on it". so, you don't condone the things the man says, but you DO condone the way his designs can line your pockets?

twitter has every right to remove a man encouraging anti-semitism which is against their rules - makes sense. but why do they currently allow Suhail Shaheen (top Taliban spokesman) to actively use his official account with almost 700k followers - the taliban believe in the forceful prosecution of all Jewish people in the arab world.

don't even get me started on how all of these capitalists, social media infographic-ass-trends and the "who can hold the most social currency" holier-than-thou mentality of western culture is ALWAYS in favor of mental health education and awareness - except when Kanye is involved.

if headlines came out today "ed sheeran has manic episode, says he hates black people in incoherent string of racist tweets - has been purposefully avoiding his prescribed bipolar medications for 2 years", the amy schumer's and gigi hadid's of the world would be posting "Praying for Ed. Mental health matters, I hope he finds the care he needs right now." type bullshit right now on their instagram stories

have the man experience ramifications for irresponsibly abusing one of pop-culture's largest voices? fine, actions should absolutely have consequences. but it really rubs me the wrong way when all these already predatory institutions and societal norms throw all their circumstantial tolerance out the window when a nuanced conversation about mental illness and censorship appears. this situation is being handled so beyond poorly and hypocritically by all parties involved (kanye included).

EDIT:
some people in the thread are taking my ed sheeran a***ogy too literally - i'm trying to make the point that if you put a much more palatable face on the front lines of a major controversy (a white one, perhaps), it would go down with much more empathy and cautiousness than this. all of the major systems kanye has been going against publically for years saw the golden opportunity to wipe him off the map and they are taking it

poolboy

2y

no s*** the things kanye said are so stupid, uninformed and can cause genuine damage. it's a real shame that a Prince / Warhol / Beatles / Bowie level artist and icon is so unapologetic about ruining his generation defining legacy

BUT - lots of "do as i say, not as i do" going on right now.

the talent agency CAA that dropped kanye from their roster in response to this situation is factually proven to have aided harvey weinstein in arranging the private meetings where he would conduct his abuse. but, once a controversial black man uses WORDS, not actions, they kick him to the curb?

adidas has every right to drop Ye. but i think its complete bullshit that they want to drop kanye and be all noble while simultaneously saying "we'll continue to sell yeezy designs without his name on it". so, you don't condone the things the man says, but you DO condone the way his designs can line your pockets?

twitter has every right to remove a man encouraging anti-semitism which is against their rules - makes sense. but why do they currently allow Suhail Shaheen (top Taliban spokesman) to actively use his official account with almost 700k followers - the taliban believe in the forceful prosecution of all Jewish people in the arab world.

don't even get me started on how all of these capitalists, social media infographic-ass-trends and the "who can hold the most social currency" holier-than-thou mentality of western culture is ALWAYS in favor of mental health education and awareness - except when Kanye is involved.

if headlines came out today "ed sheeran has manic episode, says he hates black people in incoherent string of racist tweets - has been purposefully avoiding his prescribed bipolar medications for 2 years", the amy schumer's and gigi hadid's of the world would be posting "Praying for Ed. Mental health matters, I hope he finds the care he needs right now." type bullshit right now on their instagram stories

have the man experience ramifications for irresponsibly abusing one of pop-culture's largest voices? fine, actions should absolutely have consequences. but it really rubs me the wrong way when all these already predatory institutions and societal norms throw all their circumstantial tolerance out the window when a nuanced conversation about mental illness and censorship appears. this situation is being handled so beyond poorly and hypocritically by all parties involved (kanye included).

EDIT:
some people in the thread are taking my ed sheeran a***ogy too literally - i'm trying to make the point that if you put a much more palatable face on the front lines of a major controversy (a white one, perhaps), it would go down with much more empathy and cautiousness than this. all of the major systems kanye has been going against publically for years saw the golden opportunity to wipe him off the map and they are taking it

poolboy

2y

no s*** the things kanye said are so stupid, uninformed and can cause genuine damage. it's a real shame that a Prince / Warhol / Beatles / Bowie level artist and icon is so unapologetic about ruining his generation defining legacy

BUT - lots of "do as i say, not as i do" going on right now.

the talent agency CAA that dropped kanye from their roster in response to this situation is factually proven to have aided harvey weinstein in arranging the private meetings where he would conduct his abuse. but, once a controversial black man uses WORDS, not actions, they kick him to the curb?

adidas has every right to drop Ye. but i think its complete bullshit that they want to drop kanye and be all noble while simultaneously saying "we'll continue to sell yeezy designs without his name on it". so, you don't condone the things the man says, but you DO condone the way his designs can line your pockets?

twitter has every right to remove a man encouraging anti-semitism which is against their rules - makes sense. but why do they currently allow Suhail Shaheen (top Taliban spokesman) to actively use his official account with almost 700k followers - the taliban believe in the forceful prosecution of all Jewish people in the arab world.

don't even get me started on how all of these capitalists, social media infographic-ass-trends and the "who can hold the most social currency" holier-than-thou mentality of western culture is ALWAYS in favor of mental health education and awareness - except when Kanye is involved.

if headlines came out today "ed sheeran has manic episode, says he hates black people in incoherent string of racist tweets - has been purposefully avoiding his prescribed bipolar medications for 2 years", the amy schumer's and gigi hadid's of the world would be posting "Praying for Ed. Mental health matters, I hope he finds the care he needs right now." type bullshit right now on their instagram stories

have the man experience ramifications for irresponsibly abusing one of pop-culture's largest voices? fine, actions should absolutely have consequences. but it really rubs me the wrong way when all these already predatory institutions and societal norms throw all their circumstantial tolerance out the window when a nuanced conversation about mental illness and censorship appears. this situation is being handled so beyond poorly and hypocritically by all parties involved (kanye included).

EDIT:
some people in the thread are taking my ed sheeran a***ogy too literally - i'm trying to make the point that if you put a much more palatable face on the front lines of a major controversy (a white one, perhaps), it would go down with much more empathy and cautiousness than this. all of the major systems kanye has been going against publically for years saw the golden opportunity to wipe him off the map and they are taking it

VeggieKubernetes

2y

It’s all about optics and perceptions. Companies don’t care about morals

Had he been quiet about his views this wouldn’t be happening. Unfortunately for him he can’t keep his pie hole closed

Orangutan

2y

Probably the best take I’ve seen

poolboy

2y

no s*** the things kanye said are so stupid, uninformed and can cause genuine damage. it's a real shame that a Prince / Warhol / Beatles / Bowie level artist and icon is so unapologetic about ruining his generation defining legacy

BUT - lots of "do as i say, not as i do" going on right now.

the talent agency CAA that dropped kanye from their roster in response to this situation is factually proven to have aided harvey weinstein in arranging the private meetings where he would conduct his abuse. but, once a controversial black man uses WORDS, not actions, they kick him to the curb?

adidas has every right to drop Ye. but i think its complete bullshit that they want to drop kanye and be all noble while simultaneously saying "we'll continue to sell yeezy designs without his name on it". so, you don't condone the things the man says, but you DO condone the way his designs can line your pockets?

twitter has every right to remove a man encouraging anti-semitism which is against their rules - makes sense. but why do they currently allow Suhail Shaheen (top Taliban spokesman) to actively use his official account with almost 700k followers - the taliban believe in the forceful prosecution of all Jewish people in the arab world.

don't even get me started on how all of these capitalists, social media infographic-ass-trends and the "who can hold the most social currency" holier-than-thou mentality of western culture is ALWAYS in favor of mental health education and awareness - except when Kanye is involved.

if headlines came out today "ed sheeran has manic episode, says he hates black people in incoherent string of racist tweets - has been purposefully avoiding his prescribed bipolar medications for 2 years", the amy schumer's and gigi hadid's of the world would be posting "Praying for Ed. Mental health matters, I hope he finds the care he needs right now." type bullshit right now on their instagram stories

have the man experience ramifications for irresponsibly abusing one of pop-culture's largest voices? fine, actions should absolutely have consequences. but it really rubs me the wrong way when all these already predatory institutions and societal norms throw all their circumstantial tolerance out the window when a nuanced conversation about mental illness and censorship appears. this situation is being handled so beyond poorly and hypocritically by all parties involved (kanye included).

EDIT:
some people in the thread are taking my ed sheeran a***ogy too literally - i'm trying to make the point that if you put a much more palatable face on the front lines of a major controversy (a white one, perhaps), it would go down with much more empathy and cautiousness than this. all of the major systems kanye has been going against publically for years saw the golden opportunity to wipe him off the map and they are taking it

Water Giver

2y

would be the same outcome for just about anyone if they did the exacts ame thing as kanye

also idgaf what companies feel they need to do with a public scandal igaf about kanye having real world ramifications that not only hurt jewish people or whatever but also BLACK PEOPLE