Mar 16, 2021·1 reply
Frankito ReynoldsYeah man mass murder and force labor gonna boost a country's economy in no time, aint gonna argue with that. We should put kids in factories and if they get hurt give em free healthcare.
didn't write that anywhere in my post but ok
- Mar 16, 2021·1 replydeadacc
didn't write that anywhere in my post but ok
It's cool to be a communist supreme leader .. you get to gift off brand luxury limousines to mao and kim ii sung and at the same time wear some khaki fit and pretend you on the same level as the commoners
Mar 16, 2021·2 repliesdeadaccthe collapse of the soviet union was due to liberalization and a shift towards a capitalistic market (glasnost and perestroika) under gorbachev.
there were definitely unresolved issues in the USSR but i wouldn't say it collapsed because of socialism
What do you think pushed Gorbachev to pursue glasnost and perestroika?
Nessy 🦎Mar 16, 2021
SlingshotReading up on this and
"In the East, we had professional bands which had all studied music and had official permission to play music. They were allowed to work as professionals and they had the right to charge money for their shows. If you were an amateur, you had to be classified at a certain level. There were three levels, and I reached the first one! I had a certificate which allowed me to charge four Deutschmarks (£1.30) per hour when I played a concert. Without this certificate it was illegal to play gigs, and you weren’t allowed to make contact with promoters without one. People accepted this because they had to. To get your certificate you had to play in front of a commission, like a jury, who decided if you had the right songs: you were only allowed to play 40 per cent cover versions in your set, the rest had to be your own music. Actually it wasn’t that bad an idea, because bands had to come up with their own stuff, and so there were a lot of interesting bands at that time.
The idea of a jury being able to decide based on their own subjective taste whether or not your music can legally be played in public after you perform in a courtroom is a disturbing thought to me lol
lmfao that's still a thing in france
- Mar 16, 2021interstellarflyin2
What do you think pushed Gorbachev to pursue glasnost and perestroika?
the way i understand it is that gorbachev saw the relative gdp stagnation from 1980-1985 and wanted to fiercely compete with other capitalism based superpowers when he came into power in 1985.
ive seen a lot of reasons for the gdp stagnation including: the soviet union was digitizing meaning an overhaul and heavy investment in many of the state's enterprises combined with the soviet economy being oriented towards industrial machinery rather than microprocessors and precision computer parts, heavy spending on the war in afghanistan where the USSR was trying to support the socialists there, the relative labor shortage due to the strength of the soviets and lack of pressure to work all the time, and that the nationalized industry of oil meant a large portion of the economy was dependent on foreign capitalists and unreliable oil demand.
- Mar 16, 2021Frankito Reynolds
It's cool to be a communist supreme leader .. you get to gift off brand luxury limousines to mao and kim ii sung and at the same time wear some khaki fit and pretend you on the same level as the commoners
he said
- Mar 16, 2021interstellarflyin2
What do you think pushed Gorbachev to pursue glasnost and perestroika?
Tankies will act like Gorbachev wasnt a communist but really it was cause central planning and bureaucracy totally failed
- Mar 16, 2021·edited·1 reply
Marxist leninism shifts the power from capitalists to bureaucracy.. at least capitalists have to innovate and bear responsibility. Bureaucrats are just paper pushers
Mao, lenin, stalin etc were just stupid waste men, I stan olof palme
OPMar 16, 2021·1 replySlingshotReading up on this and
"In the East, we had professional bands which had all studied music and had official permission to play music. They were allowed to work as professionals and they had the right to charge money for their shows. If you were an amateur, you had to be classified at a certain level. There were three levels, and I reached the first one! I had a certificate which allowed me to charge four Deutschmarks (£1.30) per hour when I played a concert. Without this certificate it was illegal to play gigs, and you weren’t allowed to make contact with promoters without one. People accepted this because they had to. To get your certificate you had to play in front of a commission, like a jury, who decided if you had the right songs: you were only allowed to play 40 per cent cover versions in your set, the rest had to be your own music. Actually it wasn’t that bad an idea, because bands had to come up with their own stuff, and so there were a lot of interesting bands at that time.
The idea of a jury being able to decide based on their own subjective taste whether or not your music can legally be played in public after you perform in a courtroom is a disturbing thought to me lol
Socialism is not looking at past socialist societies and recreating them. Any future socialisy society will be built based on the material conditions of the time when it comes to s*** like this
Mar 16, 2021SynopsisSocialism is not looking at past socialist societies and recreating them. Any future socialisy society will be built based on the material conditions of the time when it comes to s*** like this
- Mar 16, 2021·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Marxist leninism shifts the power from capitalists to bureaucracy.. at least capitalists have to innovate and bear responsibility. Bureaucrats are just paper pushers
Mao, lenin, stalin etc were just stupid waste men, I stan olof palme
That last sentence is so f***ing stupid I hope you're joking
Mar 16, 2021
Like a Camillimanethis thread gets made every 2 weeks and it's the same answers by the same users
No one is budging lol
Being in this section for the past several years at least have made me a bit more socialist with seeing the same arguements back and forth
- Mar 16, 2021Slingshot
Reading up on this and
"In the East, we had professional bands which had all studied music and had official permission to play music. They were allowed to work as professionals and they had the right to charge money for their shows. If you were an amateur, you had to be classified at a certain level. There were three levels, and I reached the first one! I had a certificate which allowed me to charge four Deutschmarks (£1.30) per hour when I played a concert. Without this certificate it was illegal to play gigs, and you weren’t allowed to make contact with promoters without one. People accepted this because they had to. To get your certificate you had to play in front of a commission, like a jury, who decided if you had the right songs: you were only allowed to play 40 per cent cover versions in your set, the rest had to be your own music. Actually it wasn’t that bad an idea, because bands had to come up with their own stuff, and so there were a lot of interesting bands at that time.
The idea of a jury being able to decide based on their own subjective taste whether or not your music can legally be played in public after you perform in a courtroom is a disturbing thought to me lol
Lmao so basically no cover bands can exist
- Mar 16, 2021·1 reply
Cus ion wanna be associated with you
- Mar 16, 2021·1 replyspongebob
That last sentence is so f***ing stupid I hope you're joking
No I mean every word
They wrote their writings to justify their actions, they werent academics, philosophers or economists.
- Mar 16, 2021·2 replies
Frogand you're bold enough to assume what human nature is...
at least my assumption is backed by civilizations going back to the fertile crescent
never seen a civilization where people didn't want more than what they had
- Mar 16, 2021·1 reply
MissionI’m not sure why you think that. If anything, people who aren’t just scraping by in a hyper competitive society would have more disposable income and time to engage in their passions. You can’t really use the USSR as any indication either, since they tried to implement socialist policies too quickly and f***ed themselves over. China is a country which implemented multiple socialist tenets and is now the largest economy in the world
and 1/3 of china is still low income. we don't wanna be looking at china for anything really
- Mar 16, 2021NiceLikeChrist
and 1/3 of china is still low income. we don't wanna be looking at china for anything really
China is the fastest growing economy in the world and was the only country last year to still grow despite the pandemic, they’re doing very well.
Mar 16, 2021·1 replyChina is not socialist by any metric
- Mar 16, 2021·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
No I mean every word
They wrote their writings to justify their actions, they werent academics, philosophers or economists.
they were still building on communist/socialist philosophy i don't put them concretely in any of those categories for sure but that doesn't mean they were stupid waste men just because u don't agree with their principles
- OPMar 16, 2021NiceLikeChrist
at least my assumption is backed by civilizations going back to the fertile crescent
never seen a civilization where people didn't want more than what they had
lmao what is primitive communism
- Mar 16, 2021spongebob
they were still building on communist/socialist philosophy i don't put them concretely in any of those categories for sure but that doesn't mean they were stupid waste men just because u don't agree with their principles
They led it and write their stuff to justify what they did
We can look at the effects of their actions
In china, mass starvation which made an already occurring famine worse
In russia mass repression, a genocide, and famines
- Mar 16, 2021Synopsis
no one is pretending the world is happy jolly lol
Everybody is playing pretend bro.
Everybody is holding on to their religion and paycheck and they get to have their 'freedom of speech' which accounts as f*** all and thats it mate. Thats 95%-99% doing f***ing nothing and just piling on trash in the ocean and thats just one of the things thats being done on autopilot.
Like i said, im not an enviromentalist, socialist, communist, or any other words thats been invented to name a persons view, and if anything im anti and not the edgy type like carti.
And f*** i hate people who feel better because they vote, you just went out of your own way, out of your own time to vote for a person you thought that was the right person only to f*** you over for some money, and then you do it again the next time, f***ing delirious.
- Mar 16, 2021
Im just waiting for aliens to come around and look and say "these human pretty cool" and bring us into their galactic utopia.
i just want hit some cafe with my android and alien friends.
Mar 16, 2021·3 repliesInteresting points in this thread and I really like reading this stuff and talking about it, but at the end of the day I believe we're better off giving the basic means of production to individuals and not letting the government run everything.
I think the government needs to provide some basic services without questions because other wise what's the point of it's existence, but overall I like capitalism with some socialist ideas. So pretty much just where we're heading.
I love America and I think it's been an amazing experiment and will continue to be successful
