Oct 21, 2020
Snow Tha GOAT1% of a billion is more than 20% of 500
World population didn't grow by 20 000x the last 40 years
Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous BThat's Extreme poverty, not just poverty, making $2 instead of $1.89 isn't really upwards mobility if you catch my drift.
They have lines at 3.20 and 5.50 as well
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.LMIC.GP?end=2018&start=1967&view=chart
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.UMIC?end=2018&start=1967&view=chart- Oct 21, 2020
The poverty line is at $5 a day, and even that is speculated to be generous
- Oct 21, 2020
CactusJackSentYaHow do you respond to the whole "we can't afford it" thing?
Like my roomate who is a HARDCORE conservative swears up and down that we can't afford the systems that other countries have because we're big and their small lol. But when I bring up the fact that we make more money than they do, his argument goes to "They're gonna have to raise taxes. And I don't wanna pay more taxes to fund people who sit on their ass"
We can afford it, it depends on what thing we want to do
It WILL require tax increases though
- Oct 21, 2020·2 repliesVillainous B
I don't know mate, Data only started getting tracked back in 1981.
And even if you used the poverty lines from back then, most of the world lived largely agrarian lifestyles. With the spread of liberalism, most of those people have simply been proletarianised.Proletarianisation is a big improvement to being at the mercy of the rain
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
The role of govt isnt healthcare or social security either
WOAT
- Oct 21, 2020BasedBoy
They have lines at 3.20 and 5.50 as well
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.LMIC.GP?end=2018&start=1967&view=chart
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.UMIC?end=2018&start=1967&view=chartnvm those do include China
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous B
There's also something disingenuous about boasting about a poverty line sat at $2 dollars. That isn't even halfway to seeing that basic daily nutritional needs are met.
2 dollars isnt a lot in america but is enough to feed you and then some in the poorest countries
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous B
Outside of China the Poverty Rate has been stagnant for the last 40 years, that is accounting for population growth. There are more people living in poverty now, then there were 40 years ago
Even if you adjust for china the graph is still steep
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
2 dollars isnt a lot in america but is enough to feed you and then some in the poorest countries
It really isn't enough to feed a family, do you think these people are taking this money home to feed only themselves?
- Oct 21, 2020TragedyBerlusconi
Even if you adjust for china the graph is still steep
It really isn't
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous B
It really isn't enough to feed a family, do you think these people are taking this money home to feed only themselves?
Now convert that into local currency and see how much it is
- Oct 21, 2020
J__That has nothing to do with it.
The earth has enough natural resources, food, labor to have no one in poverty
it also has countries
- Oct 21, 2020TragedyBerlusconi
WOAT
the government job is to protect negative rights
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Now convert that into local currency and see how much it is
Trust me $2 dollars a day won't feed a family anywhere in the world, there's a reason it only accounts for extreme poverty.
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous B
Trust me $2 dollars a day won't feed a family anywhere in the world, there's a reason it only accounts for extreme poverty.
this isnt true actually
and social democracy wouldnt solve global poverty anyway
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
this isnt true actually
and social democracy wouldnt solve global poverty anyway
Do you think $2 dollars a day is enough to subsist on for a family?
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyVillainous B
Do you think $2 dollars a day is enough to subsist on for a family?
in some places yes. not everyone wants ur lollipops and fantsy pants
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT
in some places yes. not everyone wants ur lollipops and fantsy pants
I'm not talking about lollipops and such, I mean meeting the actual nutritional needs of a human being, $2 a day simply won't cut.
- Oct 21, 2020·edited·1 replyVillainous B
I'm not talking about lollipops and such, I mean meeting the actual nutritional needs of a human being, $2 a day simply won't cut.
it would tho... not everyone is as privileged as you
rice and beans goes a long way
also $2 in us currency is a lot to some people
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Proletarianisation is a big improvement to being at the mercy of the rain
It really depends, you'd have to contextualise that case by case, because working a factory job and not being able to feed and house yourself isn't an improvement.
- Oct 21, 2020·1 replySnow Tha GOAT· edited
it would tho... not everyone is as privileged as you
rice and beans goes a long way
also $2 in us currency is a lot to some people
That doesn't mean you're meeting your daily nutritional needs is what I'm getting at
Oct 21, 2020CactusJackSentYaHonestly his arguments really just boil down to the fact that he doesn't think tax money should pay for "lazy" people. But you can't pick and choice where tax money f***ing does to lol.
We're in the Army. Tax money will go to war and nobody will question that, but when it goes to help some poor people that's when we want to start asking questions.
Sounds like he's the problem in America today. These people are brainwashed into thinking taxes go to people who are lazy, not in need. They think war is more important to spend billions on than the well being of the state
There's no changing that mentality until we have a nation wide change of discourse which is in progress but will take a generation to actually take effect.
Youll have to dismantle his argument points and show evidence on how other countries policies will work in America but he's still not going to change his mind.
I know a lot of people like that. They just think differently in a socially damaging way.
- Oct 21, 2020TragedyBerlusconi
Proletarianisation is a big improvement to being at the mercy of the rain
Just to contextualise, the poverty line would more likely than not be defined differently largely agrarian pre-capitalist societies than a liberal one where your daily needs are met through money.