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  • Jul 31, 2021
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    @Synopsis

    I‘m anti-capitalism because Inequality creates social division & the rich are exploiting the poor.

    And I‘m not really anti-communist because of the idea. I‘m more against followers who deny the killing of Uyghur muslims or act like some leaders who killed many people were gods just because they want to defend their ideology. And mostly because of radical lefts in my home country (Turkey) and their support of terrorist organizations like the PKK. (Before you try to argue against me yes I‘m against Erdogan and turkish nationalism too). And I‘m not against Kurds I like the Peshmerga for example. Plus I don‘t fw the idea that businesses are ultimately owned by the government and I want personal property.

    I just think there is no perfect system or ideology for human nature because we are too complex. Maybe in the future - I hope so.

    You see the contradiction in being against capitalism but still wanting the very thing that makes capitalism run, right

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    You see the contradiction in being against capitalism but still wanting the very thing that makes capitalism run, right

    Yeah saying I‘m anti is maybe too exaggerated because I‘m not against everything that capitalism and communism offers

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    Yeah saying I‘m anti is maybe too exaggerated because I‘m not against everything that capitalism and communism offers

    What I'm saying is you don't like the inequality and exploitation of capitalism, but you haven't recognized how it is private property in the first place that creates those conditions.

    No one but utopians think there is some perfect system or ideology, but the fact remains that the only way to get rid of that exploitation is to overthrow capitalism, install a socialist state that works its way towards communism.

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    @Synopsis

    I‘m anti-capitalism because Inequality creates social division & the rich are exploiting the poor.

    And I‘m not really anti-communist because of the idea. I‘m more against followers who deny the killing of Uyghur muslims or act like some leaders who killed many people were gods just because they want to defend their ideology. And mostly because of radical lefts in my home country (Turkey) and their support of terrorist organizations like the PKK. (Before you try to argue against me yes I‘m against Erdogan and turkish nationalism too). And I‘m not against Kurds I like the Peshmerga for example. Plus I don‘t fw the idea that businesses are ultimately owned by the government and I want personal property.

    I just think there is no perfect system or ideology for human nature because we are too complex. Maybe in the future - I hope so.

    I dont mess with PKK either and I'm still a communist TÜRK/muslim

    U know Russia and USA are both capitalist but have very different views? Communism isn't a monolith either

  • Jul 31, 2021

    Just came here to laugh

    😭

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    What I'm saying is you don't like the inequality and exploitation of capitalism, but you haven't recognized how it is private property in the first place that creates those conditions.

    No one but utopians think there is some perfect system or ideology, but the fact remains that the only way to get rid of that exploitation is to overthrow capitalism, install a socialist state that works its way towards communism.

    Lmao I‘m stupid I meant personal property not private

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx
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    Lmao I‘m stupid I meant personal property not private

    well communism doesn't take away personal property

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    Synopsis

    well communism doesn't take away personal property

    Really? I thought communism limits personal property?

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    Really? I thought communism limits personal property?

    what do you consider personal property

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    what do you consider personal property

    Personal property is what you clearly own through use and occupancy

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    Personal property is what you clearly own through use and occupancy

    Why would communism limit that

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    ARCADE GOON

    I dont mess with PKK either and I'm still a communist TÜRK/muslim

    U know Russia and USA are both capitalist but have very different views? Communism isn't a monolith either

    Sen hiç bu mangayı okudun mu? S*** looks lit asf

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    Why would communism limit that

    Maybe I‘m misinformed idk - this is why I asked for books

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    Maybe I‘m misinformed idk - this is why I asked for books

    maybe it might just be best to read books by communists

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    maybe it might just be best to read books by communists

    You fw George Orwell?

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    xxxkiraxxx
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    You fw George Orwell?

    as a writer or as a person lol?

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    as a writer or as a person lol?

    As a writer of course

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    As a writer of course

    i mean he's not bad but 1984 and animal farm are both incredibly overrated.

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    @Synopsis

    I‘m anti-capitalism because Inequality creates social division & the rich are exploiting the poor.

    And I‘m not really anti-communist because of the idea. I‘m more against followers who deny the killing of Uyghur muslims or act like some leaders who killed many people were gods just because they want to defend their ideology. And mostly because of radical lefts in my home country (Turkey) and their support of terrorist organizations like the PKK. (Before you try to argue against me yes I‘m against Erdogan and turkish nationalism too). And I‘m not against Kurds I like the Peshmerga for example. Plus I don‘t fw the idea that businesses are ultimately owned by the government and I want personal property.

    I just think there is no perfect system or ideology for human nature because we are too complex. Maybe in the future - I hope so.

    try anarchism?

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    Synopsis

    i mean he's not bad but 1984 and animal farm are both incredibly overrated.

    I‘m actually interested in reading 1984

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    Sen hiç bu mangayı okudun mu? S*** looks lit asf

    Das Kapital icinde manga var

    Ama ben orijinallari okudum

    Sen almanyadan degilimisin zaten?

    Kommunistisches Manifest uzun degil gercekten, isciler icin yazildi, ve almanca biliyorsun daha kolay

    Communist Manifest is a historical document about the early communist movement but it describes goals and so on that are still applicable, quick read

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    viscera

    try anarchism?

    What‘s anarchism?

  • Jul 31, 2021
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    xxxkiraxxx

    I‘m actually interested in reading 1984

    it aint bad but its just ridiculous how its gotten people to think that that's what a "totalitarian" state would look like

  • Jul 31, 2021
    xxxkiraxxx

    What‘s anarchism?

    see op
    ktt2.com/anarchism-thread-24543

  • Jul 31, 2021
    Synopsis

    i mean he's not bad but 1984 and animal farm are both incredibly overrated.