Scratchin Mamba

4y

Anything on what allowed the capitalist reforms to take place

deadacc

4y

ive been actually wondering for a while what is the extent of your opposition to the cpc @cloud_rap

SEGA GOON

4y

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Critical support for China against Western imperialism
Oppose China for its capitalist ways and foreign policy weakness

The party elite is basically using Singapore-style state capitalism to develop their country, which works better than neoliberalism of course. But it isn't socialism, so it has all the contradictions that capitalism usually has. For example, making the birth rate sink because you overwork the population.

State capitalism is preferable to neoliberalism, but it is inferior to socialism.

The party base has opportunists, careerists, but also "true believers" who hold on dearly to people like Mao and genuinely believe in socialism, albeit also believing that an extended era of capitalism is needed first.

The party elite has a hold on the bourgeoisie there by various means (such as finance being mostly nationalized), but this doesn't really mean much. There is a quote where Stalin says that Hitler killing off unloyal millionaires doesn't make Nazi Germany socialist.

Also, the idea of socialism in China often is equivalent to social democratic welfarism of Scandinavia.

The party legitimizes itself by being connected to the Chinese Revolution and the Mao era, which despite all its catastrophes is seen as a positive event in Chinese history. The red paint makes a lot of people happy.

SEGA GOON

4y

Critical support for China against Western imperialism
Oppose China for its capitalist ways and foreign policy weakness

The party elite is basically using Singapore-style state capitalism to develop their country, which works better than neoliberalism of course. But it isn't socialism, so it has all the contradictions that capitalism usually has. For example, making the birth rate sink because you overwork the population.

State capitalism is preferable to neoliberalism, but it is inferior to socialism.

The party base has opportunists, careerists, but also "true believers" who hold on dearly to people like Mao and genuinely believe in socialism, albeit also believing that an extended era of capitalism is needed first.

The party elite has a hold on the bourgeoisie there by various means (such as finance being mostly nationalized), but this doesn't really mean much. There is a quote where Stalin says that Hitler killing off unloyal millionaires doesn't make Nazi Germany socialist.

Also, the idea of socialism in China often is equivalent to social democratic welfarism of Scandinavia.

The party legitimizes itself by being connected to the Chinese Revolution and the Mao era, which despite all its catastrophes is seen as a positive event in Chinese history. The red paint makes a lot of people happy.

SEGA GOON

4y

whats wrong

the reds

4y

I disagree with most of it except the last 2 paragraphs

SEGA GOON

4y

Then feel free to share your views

the reds

4y

I'm too lazy to write as much as you did so I'll keep it brief: I dont think it's state capitalist anymore its just capitalist, the party leadership has committed itself to Capitalism, is deeply intertwined with the bourgeoisie especially at the regional level, and whatever remaining true believers there are they have no influence. I'd ask what you mean by critical support for China against western imperialism before I give my view on that

SEGA GOON

4y

Critical support for China against Western imperialism
Oppose China for its capitalist ways and foreign policy weakness

The party elite is basically using Singapore-style state capitalism to develop their country, which works better than neoliberalism of course. But it isn't socialism, so it has all the contradictions that capitalism usually has. For example, making the birth rate sink because you overwork the population.

State capitalism is preferable to neoliberalism, but it is inferior to socialism.

The party base has opportunists, careerists, but also "true believers" who hold on dearly to people like Mao and genuinely believe in socialism, albeit also believing that an extended era of capitalism is needed first.

The party elite has a hold on the bourgeoisie there by various means (such as finance being mostly nationalized), but this doesn't really mean much. There is a quote where Stalin says that Hitler killing off unloyal millionaires doesn't make Nazi Germany socialist.

Also, the idea of socialism in China often is equivalent to social democratic welfarism of Scandinavia.

The party legitimizes itself by being connected to the Chinese Revolution and the Mao era, which despite all its catastrophes is seen as a positive event in Chinese history. The red paint makes a lot of people happy.

Scratchin Mamba

4y

I remember back when i was studying law, our teacher asked if we vote based on our own individual interests or what we think is best for society as a whole

Of like 25 students, only me and one other guy chose what's best for society as a whole lol @cloud_rap @Nessy

Scratchin Mamba

4y

The whole bit about people being young and later turning conservative is a tired talking point but there's some truth to it

When your politics revolves around what you perceive to further your own individual interest it's easy to be left-wing when you're young and worrying about student debt

But when you got a decent job, paid your loans off, own a house, maybe even another one you can rent out, do you still stand by your PRINCIPLES

Ngl it still kinda surprises me that so many people really just don't care about society and will readily admit it too, but then these are the same people doing social media activism lol

People are crayz man

Scratchin Mamba

4y

The whole bit about people being young and later turning conservative is a tired talking point but there's some truth to it

When your politics revolves around what you perceive to further your own individual interest it's easy to be left-wing when you're young and worrying about student debt

But when you got a decent job, paid your loans off, own a house, maybe even another one you can rent out, do you still stand by your PRINCIPLES

Ngl it still kinda surprises me that so many people really just don't care about society and will readily admit it too, but then these are the same people doing social media activism lol

People are crayz man

Scratchin Mamba

4y

The whole bit about people being young and later turning conservative is a tired talking point but there's some truth to it

When your politics revolves around what you perceive to further your own individual interest it's easy to be left-wing when you're young and worrying about student debt

But when you got a decent job, paid your loans off, own a house, maybe even another one you can rent out, do you still stand by your PRINCIPLES

Ngl it still kinda surprises me that so many people really just don't care about society and will readily admit it too, but then these are the same people doing social media activism lol

People are crayz man

Nessy

4y

But wait till you touch a lil cheddar and this best for society as a whole s*** is over imo

krishna bound

4y

I think it's more than that tbh. I think that's part of it but i think there's a social aspect. As a younger person you're more likely to have slightly rebellious social beliefs - not economically necessarily - but in the sense of thinking the social norms of the generation before you are flawed and gravitate toward the groups which attempt to progressively abolish or conflict with those groups older than you (for a multitude of reasons, I don't think it's not "trying to be hip and rebellious" superficially) - i also do htink those norms tend to always more aligned logically with leftist groups for obvious reasons (not always though which is how you end up with conservative/libertarian social activists i.e. andrew sullivan). However as you get older, you get more concretely settled because you aren't in touch with the younger generation and their own social trends, which then creates the same cyclical conflict.

I mean, as a good example of this, look at how many women didn't support civil rights, how many civil rights activists didn't support gay rights, but then how many like gay activists don't support trans stuff, etc.

Nessy

4y

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Also when you’re young you’re biologically more of a leftist cause you produce more of those things that make you accept novel ideas

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Yesterday after a work meeting my fellow student assistants started talking politricks and they're lefty libs

At some point i asked em what makes u voot for whom, they said what pursues my interests. I asked why and they said, may god forgive me for uttering this garbage, because it's important to have representation. And then i asked well what if u get money later on, u gonna voot for the neolibs?

Anything they said after this was just COPE

Womanpuncher69

4y

so basically it applies to liberals

krishna bound

4y

you're gonna have to explain to me what you mean here

Nessy

4y

When you’re young* lmao