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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
    Rejuvenated

    Yeah before the thread was locked I told someone that I couldn’t confirm the validity of the 52 album deal, as it was just running rampant on twitter and in the thread itself

    yea I just dont see any mention of it anywhere so I dont really know where it came from

    but if anyone does know lmk so I can go look

  • Sep 16, 2020
    soccerfanj

    You link this to them

    Just did!

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    DUMMIE

    Also makes sense that his contracts not as good as Drakes, he probably doesnt come close to the amount of money Drake would bring in

    drake actually doesnt have a contract right now which is why its so valuable
    he was getting absolutely f***ed for his first few years - didnt see ANY royalty payments

    now drakes contract basically works in that he makes an album and then licenses it to the label to distribute and promote and everything for him for a % cut
    if he wanted to be fully independent he could do so right now with no issue, him getting the label to distribute just makes more sense for him

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    safe

    I mean I doubt he'd just do one for anyone it seems like he wants to like the person and like someone above said he might want royalties instead or he'd just do it for free

    but yea feature prices are insane

    He be hoppin on the UK Drill joints too, so he prolly likes the artist in the first place

  • kttmz ⚰️
    Sep 16, 2020
    A Mad Ass Nigga

    @op be having the best threads.

    Facts

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    kttmz

    Fair enough I was doubting if a feature would be listed there as well, that could increase the costs pretty quick. Bot overal flights, staying and renting equipment would be a little expensive to be half a milli for 2 weeks

    yea its impossible to say without accounting breakdowns of it all

    but its a hell of a lot of money lol

  • kttmz ⚰️
    Sep 16, 2020
    safe

    yea its impossible to say without accounting breakdowns of it all

    but its a hell of a lot of money lol

    There’s no denying that

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
    So Illegal

    Cant wait for a music biz lawyer to make a 3 hour YT vid breaking down all the pages

    id love to see it
    I suspect a lot of this stuff is not even remotely interesting though
    so much of it is stuff like "live albums dont count." or "you cant do xyz with the music without consent from the label"

  • Sep 16, 2020

    great thread

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    DUMMIE

    It just seems like Kanye been losing them money. Like they cant even be making that much from his music post Yeezus bc of streaming

    streaming sales actually pay as much as another sale - thats how they're weighted

    like Pablo alone would've been $15m for the label

    plus because they figure this out on an album by album basis they're not gonna give him money they cant get back

    so I doubt hes losing them money

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    He be hoppin on the UK Drill joints too, so he prolly likes the artist in the first place

    exactly
    especially now that he doesnt have a label attached to him he can do whatever he wants without there even being a financial arrangement

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    safe

    drake actually doesnt have a contract right now which is why its so valuable
    he was getting absolutely f***ed for his first few years - didnt see ANY royalty payments

    now drakes contract basically works in that he makes an album and then licenses it to the label to distribute and promote and everything for him for a % cut
    if he wanted to be fully independent he could do so right now with no issue, him getting the label to distribute just makes more sense for him

    Help me understand the outrage. If you're a label signing a unknown artist and giving them money to record music, why would you give them most of the profits? More often than not the artist isnt even going to sell so youre losing money. Then for those artists that actually make it you need to make back the money plus everything else you spent on the failures.

    How are these labels even making money, seems like they would just barely be profitable

  • Sep 16, 2020
    safe

    streaming sales actually pay as much as another sale - thats how they're weighted

    like Pablo alone would've been $15m for the label

    plus because they figure this out on an album by album basis they're not gonna give him money they cant get back

    so I doubt hes losing them money

    Oh s*** didnt know this ignore what I said

  • Sep 16, 2020

    But I gues $.00001 a stream adds up for an entire album

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    DUMMIE

    Help me understand the outrage. If you're a label signing a unknown artist and giving them money to record music, why would you give them most of the profits? More often than not the artist isnt even going to sell so youre losing money. Then for those artists that actually make it you need to make back the money plus everything else you spent on the failures.

    How are these labels even making money, seems like they would just barely be profitable

    someone like Kanye has likely made the label millions and
    that can erase the failures of hundreds of smaller artists
    but even with those smaller artists, they will release and promote and do whatever they can to get the money they spent back
    might even be stuff like getting those artists to write songs for the label

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    CARMEN

    Personal question:

    Do you think it’s in the vault, or likely not finished or even started?

    As a Kanye fan I believe he didn’t even start working on it

  • goretex 💁🏽‍♂️
    Sep 16, 2020

    great thread

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    safe

    drake actually doesnt have a contract right now which is why its so valuable
    he was getting absolutely f***ed for his first few years - didnt see ANY royalty payments

    now drakes contract basically works in that he makes an album and then licenses it to the label to distribute and promote and everything for him for a % cut
    if he wanted to be fully independent he could do so right now with no issue, him getting the label to distribute just makes more sense for him

    So what's the difference between royalties and sales revenue. Thought he only gave up 25% of his sales revenue according to that LA times article.

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    flizzy 999

    As a Kanye fan I believe he didn’t even start working on it

    nahh its all done he just never released it beyond one showing

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    OP
    Sep 16, 2020
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    CactusJackSentYa

    So what's the difference between royalties and sales revenue. Thought he only gave up 25% of his sales revenue according to that LA times article.

    which LA times article?

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    safe

    which LA times article?

    "They have given me one of the greatest situations in hip-hop," Drake, 22, said of his team.

    Under the unusually lucrative agreement he struck with Aspire/Young Money/Cash Money Records distributed through Universal, Drake received a $2-million advance. He retains the publishing rights to his songs and cedes only around 25% of his music sales revenues to the label as a "distribution fee," his managers said . By contrast, the overwhelming majority of new artists sign financially restrictive "360 deals" that sap their touring and merchandise income and offer much more restrictive profit-sharing.

    A dissection of how the rapper was able to drive such a hard bargain underscores an evolution in the music industry. At a time when CD sales have declined by 15% over last summer's numbers and major labels remain more fixated on scoring hit singles than sustaining artist rosters, managers such as those working with Drake have stepped into the void to become king-makers in urban music.

    "The record company doesn't have any ownership of Drake," Bryant said. "The label does not have participation on profits. They don't have ownership of his masters. We control his entire career. Those deals don't happen anymore."

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/07/drake-from-teen-tv-star-to-rap-royalty-.html

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    Damn that contract extension is wild

    It’s like if the cavs could keep on picking the team option on lebrons rookie deal

  • Sep 16, 2020
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    safe

    someone like Kanye has likely made the label millions and
    that can erase the failures of hundreds of smaller artists
    but even with those smaller artists, they will release and promote and do whatever they can to get the money they spent back
    might even be stuff like getting those artists to write songs for the label

    Yeah, this is my understanding 100%. Labels are essentially taking gambles on artists. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of artists actually end up losing money for the label. But then every so often you get lucky and sign a superstar and make so much money that it covers all the losses from everyone else.

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