Stop the cap and say you watched a video of a doctor with an opposing position on the issue.

Long talk my ass..

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/imm.13443

I also am suffering from rheumatoid arthritis now and I am in my twenties lmao

Yeah let me say, mRNA is magic. It has so many potential uses and WILL benefit us greatly. But we need to always make sure to test enough.

yea i got 2 doses of the vaccine an i currently feel like s*** for no reason

Try some NAC if u dnt have histamine issues

Could be nothing lol , it's all easily verifiable by getting some tests done.

Yea I think it's jus anxiety cus I got an autoimmune test done a few years ago an I came back negative

Lol. I am serious and I don't like to bring this up without consulting people that know this better than me. I'll post some more snippets from my convo

we don't care because we didn't lost our jobs or businesses due to some of the maniatic rules imposed because of the whole situation but yeah some of us just escaped with some mental damage

I hope you get better soon and it's only temporary

I'm hindsight it was really insane. You were forced to use a experimental treatment to have the right to dine etc.

you were (indirectly, ofc) forced to close your local business and go buy from the big business only

Yep... And we still see the scars of that. I hope we learn a lesson lol

Mrna vaccines have been in development for decades, just because you’re just now hearing about them doesn’t make them some crazy experimental d***.

There’s a reason the vaccinated population has done so much better than the unvaccinated population, because the vaccine works and is safe and effective

Thxs breh u real for that

Hope everything goes well for u also

this the doctor op should be listenin to

we didn't, just look at this thread

next time ill add an /s just for you

thanks man
even tho, don't take it personally

My vaccine is wok

So coronavirii as you know have been around for ages, most likely you have had one in your life pre COVID

Common in younger children most of them cause mild respiratory symptoms

Some much more dangerous variants like mers and Sars have higher fatality rates

Predominantly the immune response against them is t cell based (aka cellular) not antibody (aka humoral)

This is a key point as mRNA vaccines are good at producing antibody responses but not so good at producing cellular ones

Most of the effects of COVID are not due to the virus itself but instead hyperactivation of the immune system similar to something called macrophage activation syndrome

This is why firstly, steroids are an excellent treatment as they settle down short term inflammation

There is a genetic basis to people that suffer more than others

For example East Asian and black people possess genes that can make them more susceptible to severe COVID but also low vitamin d (as vitamin d is an important regulator of immune function) predisposes severe COVID

Hence why in the northern hemisphere dark skinned people who are usually vit d deficient seemed to be hit harder

Faster forward from the catastrophic governmental responses to the outbreak and you have the vaccine developments

It was obvious from the start that mRNA vaccines would be plagued with side effects and whilst fast to make would likely no offer significant long term protection

This is partly because we have seen how mRNAs vaccines work against cancer and how they don't produce adequate t cell responses and how dendritic line driven mRNA vaccines cause autoimmune antibodies to be producing

As previously mentioned

This is also why Pfizer and moderna heavily played up their 99% effectiveness which was based largely on developing antibody responses

Secondly traditional immunity works by recognising multiple antigens presented

So virus comes into the body, first you activate something called the innate immune response

A broad immune mechanism that works by recognising a wide range of similar looking patterns and works to form a response quickly

But not that effectively

Then after time you develop an adaptive response

This is the antibody response and t cell response

These take much longer but are much more effective and give better long term protection

A naked mRNA vaccine is a single antigen

So when it comes in contact with the immune system a very specific response is made to that specific antigen which results in antibodies specific to that and only that

Virus mutates sufficiently which is what viruses do it's ineffective

Also because you aren't mounting a full immune responses t cell recruitment is poor

Contrast this to astrazeneca for example

Where they took mRNA and shoved it inside a modified adenovirus that can't replicate

Means that multiple antigens were presented

Whilst not all Corona specific

It means the body mounted a much more rounded immune response

So t cell responses were often larger than mRNA vaccines

Next the Pfizer idea was that the naked mRNA would neither migrate from the injection site, nor transform into dna

And since then there is ample proof that not only does it migrate but also the mRNA is capable of being translated back into dna which can then increase risks of things like liver cancer

Basically

What was needed was a proper trial

And 10-15 years of phase 4 follow up

What the government's of the west did

Was allow that experimentation to occur without proper informed consent and with an inability to sue the companies of something goes wrong

It's a real crapshot

And we have no idea how it'll turn out for the next 15-20 years

In Poland ?

i'll take the vaguely experimental treatment and it's known and unknown side effects that was released to protect the population after a lab leak before I just rawdog the lab leak itself no disrespect

The vaccine works and is reasonably effective but calling it " safe " depends on your reasoning. It has been in development for treating cancer and trials for this particular haven't been done long enough

This is because anti vax isn’t the term you’re supposed to use for these. Anti vax implies you don’t believe in the effectiveness of vaccines. These are more experimental and have different effects on the body. Essentially we tested them on ourselves