May 6, 2024·1 replyTL;DR: The thread a***yzes the Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar beef as a strategic battle where Kendrick outmaneuvers Drake on timing and reputation management. Kendrick's calculated releases and maintained credibility contrast with Drake's reactive responses and damaged public image. This strategic approach positions Kendrick as the victor, focusing on the chess-like nature of their feud rather than just lyrical content.
May 6, 2024
ragedsycokillerI know reading is hard for you bro. You can continue to read Dr. Seuss books at your own pace.
Thanks Carl appreciate it.
I might come ask you how best to read it if I really wanna understand the messages is that okay?
- May 6, 2024·3 repliesimShy
This is all about strategy. I hope this doesn't get taken down or merged because I believe it's things like this that make KTT great.
PRINCIPLE 1: Timing
Let's talk about the timing of the tracks. Forget about the contents and the bars. Just look at how they were released and the strategy behind it.
Like that. We're going to hop on a feature of one the biggest rap songs of the year. A song so good and inescapable you will be forced to respond. We will draw you out
Drake responds with pushups, a great rebuttable. He then drops Taylor Made afterwords, which would prove to backfire in the future.
Kendrick (and this is very important) takes his time. He sits on Euphoria. Drake even memed him out with his countdown clock, telling the world Kendrick doesn't have anything to drop and has already lost.
6 days later Euphoria comes out and it's a massive hit. It's even competing for a spot on billboard.
You respond by dropping family matters. I immediately shut it down with meet the grams. We're just looking at things from a strategic point of view. Forget about what songs are catchier, bars. The general public thinks this is what the beef is about but it's not. At all.
You dropped your proposed bomb and I immediately block it.
Not only that, but I doubled down and dropped a west coast anthem. A song that is definitely going to move. A song where people are going to dance and mock you while doing it.
THE VERY NEXT DAY you drop Heart 6, which many believe was a dud.
Remember what we said about Euphoria. Kendrick took his time to drop Euphoria, he didn't feel rushed or pressured at all. Kendrick has been dictating the pace and timing. Drake has been moving exactly how Kendrick has directed him.
One of the main criticisms of the Heart 6 is that it doesn't pack a punch. If Drake had given himself more time he definitely would have came back with a deadly blow. But no, he succumbed to the pressure because he's never been in control this entire battle.
----------------------------------- Here's the point
This is the overarching thing Kendrick and his team want people to understand.
How are you the supposed King of rap, the best rapper, the greatest rapper...when you don't know how to battle. You're an imposter. This is something EVERY SINGLE great in their field is a master of.
If you're the greatest, if you're the Caesar of rap, if you're the Jordan of rap...then YOU should be dictating the pace, so why aren't you?
Nothing the enemy does should influence how you move, why should it? You're always in control.
Drake failed here. And it's clear
You know what a goat or a vet would have done? They would have waited 6 days and crafted a better response. Kendrick was always moving at his pace, Drake was being pulled to move at Kendricks pace. Because he didn't dictate the pace, he rushed to respond and began to retreat and sounded defensive in his latest song. That's why Kendrick is letting up. Why keep going when the enemy is retreating. If he's retreated let him retreat, if he decides to swing then we'll respond and put him back on the ground.
This is a war of strategy not just one liners and hooks. Why is it a war of strategy? because this is what Kendrick stands on. Go over there and make people do the Toosie slide, this rap stuff? You're not built for it. And we're tired of you pretending you are.
I think Family Matters is the best track in the beef and drake’s last song was the only reply in the whole beef. You’re giving Kendrick the benefit of the doubt considering it seems all his bars were cap. The move to drop meet the grahams right after family matters was the only winning play so far imo from Kendrick. Dropping a west coast song felt like a desperate land grab and he’s talking about colonizing. And cornballs ate it up. Mans collabed with imagine dragons yall forget that
- May 6, 2024
@op Unfortunately, I think Drake will be allowed to continue to culture vulture through multiple styles of music because he built up his character to do so.
I just don't think Drake will be rapping with his former homies for a while.
- May 6, 2024
nomdeguerreSaying "forget about bars" in a writeup about rap beef is abysmal.
Bar for bar they're pretty close in a lot of their songs. That would just be an endless debate
May 6, 2024twntytwntysI think Family Matters is the best track in the beef and drake’s last song was the only reply in the whole beef. You’re giving Kendrick the benefit of the doubt considering it seems all his bars were cap. The move to drop meet the grahams right after family matters was the only winning play so far imo from Kendrick. Dropping a west coast song felt like a desperate land grab and he’s talking about colonizing. And cornballs ate it up. Mans collabed with imagine dragons yall forget that
They trying to rewrite history but the faccccts are already there
- OPMay 6, 2024·1 replytwntytwntys
I think Family Matters is the best track in the beef and drake’s last song was the only reply in the whole beef. You’re giving Kendrick the benefit of the doubt considering it seems all his bars were cap. The move to drop meet the grahams right after family matters was the only winning play so far imo from Kendrick. Dropping a west coast song felt like a desperate land grab and he’s talking about colonizing. And cornballs ate it up. Mans collabed with imagine dragons yall forget that
I respect your take gang
- May 6, 2024twntytwntys
I think Family Matters is the best track in the beef and drake’s last song was the only reply in the whole beef. You’re giving Kendrick the benefit of the doubt considering it seems all his bars were cap. The move to drop meet the grahams right after family matters was the only winning play so far imo from Kendrick. Dropping a west coast song felt like a desperate land grab and he’s talking about colonizing. And cornballs ate it up. Mans collabed with imagine dragons yall forget that
You're forgetting Drake cap raps as well. The only close to factual thing he has is tricking Kendrick to rap about a daughter. But that means there is a mole in his camp.
- OPMay 6, 2024·1 replynomdeguerre
Saying "forget about bars" in a writeup about rap beef is abysmal.
this isn't about who raps better. at all.
Drake thinks it's about that. Which is why he's losing/lost
This has nothing about who raps better.
May 6, 2024What’s that
Facts- OPMay 6, 2024·1 replyryo hazuki
TL;DR: The thread a***yzes the Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar beef as a strategic battle where Kendrick outmaneuvers Drake on timing and reputation management. Kendrick's calculated releases and maintained credibility contrast with Drake's reactive responses and damaged public image. This strategic approach positions Kendrick as the victor, focusing on the chess-like nature of their feud rather than just lyrical content.
lmao seriously how did you do this ? did you just use chat gpt ?
May 6, 2024ryo hazuki· editedThe thread discusses the strategic elements of a rap feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, focusing on timing, reputation, and aftermath rather than musical content.
Timing: The post highlights how Kendrick masterfully controlled the timing of his track releases to maximize impact and keep Drake reactive rather than proactive. Kendrick's deliberate pacing is contrasted with Drake's more rushed responses, which, according to the author, resulted in less impactful music.
Reputation: The thread argues that Kendrick has managed to maintain a strong reputation over the years, while Drake has been portrayed negatively, affecting public perception. The author suggests that Kendrick's strategic releases, like his album addressing personal flaws, bolster his credibility, whereas Drake's responses, even if truthful, fail to resonate due to his tarnished public image.
Aftermath: It is speculated that the ongoing battle will leave Drake's reputation in hip-hop significantly damaged, possibly leading to a decrease in collaborations and respect within the industry. Meanwhile, Kendrick's position is strengthened, emerging from the feud with his integrity and industry respect intact.
Overall, the thread posits that Kendrick's team has outmaneuvered Drake strategically, focusing on reputation management and timing rather than just musical barbs, portraying the conflict as a calculated game of chess where Kendrick has checkmated Drake.
- May 6, 2024imShy
does anyone believe him ? why is he allowing Kendrick to rush his responses ? Why does he sound so defeated on Heart 6 ? Why is everyone on socials clowning him ?
If hes the so called best rapper in the game why is he being completely disrespected by the general public ? Why has nobody publicly came out to take his side except his streamer goons ? seriously why do you think that is ?
This entire time Kendrick has had friends and colleagues backing him (Top, reputable DJ's, his boys at TDE) why is NOBODY from Drakes rapper friends saying anything. You think this is just coincidence ?
I get that the general public are only concerned with "bars" and rap and it just goes to show this thing is completely flying over peoples heads. People don't care about the intricacies of rap beef. They just hear beats and hooks and decide if they like the song or not.
May 6, 2024·1 replyimShyThis is all about strategy. I hope this doesn't get taken down or merged because I believe it's things like this that make KTT great.
PRINCIPLE 1: Timing
Let's talk about the timing of the tracks. Forget about the contents and the bars. Just look at how they were released and the strategy behind it.
Like that. We're going to hop on a feature of one the biggest rap songs of the year. A song so good and inescapable you will be forced to respond. We will draw you out
Drake responds with pushups, a great rebuttable. He then drops Taylor Made afterwords, which would prove to backfire in the future.
Kendrick (and this is very important) takes his time. He sits on Euphoria. Drake even memed him out with his countdown clock, telling the world Kendrick doesn't have anything to drop and has already lost.
6 days later Euphoria comes out and it's a massive hit. It's even competing for a spot on billboard.
You respond by dropping family matters. I immediately shut it down with meet the grams. We're just looking at things from a strategic point of view. Forget about what songs are catchier, bars. The general public thinks this is what the beef is about but it's not. At all.
You dropped your proposed bomb and I immediately block it.
Not only that, but I doubled down and dropped a west coast anthem. A song that is definitely going to move. A song where people are going to dance and mock you while doing it.
THE VERY NEXT DAY you drop Heart 6, which many believe was a dud.
Remember what we said about Euphoria. Kendrick took his time to drop Euphoria, he didn't feel rushed or pressured at all. Kendrick has been dictating the pace and timing. Drake has been moving exactly how Kendrick has directed him.
One of the main criticisms of the Heart 6 is that it doesn't pack a punch. If Drake had given himself more time he definitely would have came back with a deadly blow. But no, he succumbed to the pressure because he's never been in control this entire battle.
----------------------------------- Here's the point
This is the overarching thing Kendrick and his team want people to understand.
How are you the supposed King of rap, the best rapper, the greatest rapper...when you don't know how to battle. You're an imposter. This is something EVERY SINGLE great in their field is a master of.
If you're the greatest, if you're the Caesar of rap, if you're the Jordan of rap...then YOU should be dictating the pace, so why aren't you?
Nothing the enemy does should influence how you move, why should it? You're always in control.
Drake failed here. And it's clear
You know what a goat or a vet would have done? They would have waited 6 days and crafted a better response. Kendrick was always moving at his pace, Drake was being pulled to move at Kendricks pace. Because he didn't dictate the pace, he rushed to respond and began to retreat and sounded defensive in his latest song. That's why Kendrick is letting up. Why keep going when the enemy is retreating. If he's retreated let him retreat, if he decides to swing then we'll respond and put him back on the ground.
This is a war of strategy not just one liners and hooks. Why is it a war of strategy? because this is what Kendrick stands on. Go over there and make people do the Toosie slide, this rap stuff? You're not built for it. And we're tired of you pretending you are.
That's a great comment and I agree. And you know what? We haven't even talked about the lyrics and pen game yet. Kendrick absolutely killed it in that department too.
The real art of war s***. GOAT s***.
- May 6, 2024·2 repliesimShy
this isn't about who raps better. at all.
Drake thinks it's about that. Which is why he's losing/lost
This has nothing about who raps better.
You’re telling me a rap beef isn’t about rap but instead who can tarnish the enemy first? Fair… but if it’s all cap? Still valid in your opinion?
May 6, 2024imShyThis is all about strategy. I hope this doesn't get taken down or merged because I believe it's things like this that make KTT great.
PRINCIPLE 1: Timing
Let's talk about the timing of the tracks. Forget about the contents and the bars. Just look at how they were released and the strategy behind it.
Like that. We're going to hop on a feature of one the biggest rap songs of the year. A song so good and inescapable you will be forced to respond. We will draw you out
Drake responds with pushups, a great rebuttable. He then drops Taylor Made afterwords, which would prove to backfire in the future.
Kendrick (and this is very important) takes his time. He sits on Euphoria. Drake even memed him out with his countdown clock, telling the world Kendrick doesn't have anything to drop and has already lost.
6 days later Euphoria comes out and it's a massive hit. It's even competing for a spot on billboard.
You respond by dropping family matters. I immediately shut it down with meet the grams. We're just looking at things from a strategic point of view. Forget about what songs are catchier, bars. The general public thinks this is what the beef is about but it's not. At all.
You dropped your proposed bomb and I immediately block it.
Not only that, but I doubled down and dropped a west coast anthem. A song that is definitely going to move. A song where people are going to dance and mock you while doing it.
THE VERY NEXT DAY you drop Heart 6, which many believe was a dud.
Remember what we said about Euphoria. Kendrick took his time to drop Euphoria, he didn't feel rushed or pressured at all. Kendrick has been dictating the pace and timing. Drake has been moving exactly how Kendrick has directed him.
One of the main criticisms of the Heart 6 is that it doesn't pack a punch. If Drake had given himself more time he definitely would have came back with a deadly blow. But no, he succumbed to the pressure because he's never been in control this entire battle.
----------------------------------- Here's the point
This is the overarching thing Kendrick and his team want people to understand.
How are you the supposed King of rap, the best rapper, the greatest rapper...when you don't know how to battle. You're an imposter. This is something EVERY SINGLE great in their field is a master of.
If you're the greatest, if you're the Caesar of rap, if you're the Jordan of rap...then YOU should be dictating the pace, so why aren't you?
Nothing the enemy does should influence how you move, why should it? You're always in control.
Drake failed here. And it's clear
You know what a goat or a vet would have done? They would have waited 6 days and crafted a better response. Kendrick was always moving at his pace, Drake was being pulled to move at Kendricks pace. Because he didn't dictate the pace, he rushed to respond and began to retreat and sounded defensive in his latest song. That's why Kendrick is letting up. Why keep going when the enemy is retreating. If he's retreated let him retreat, if he decides to swing then we'll respond and put him back on the ground.
This is a war of strategy not just one liners and hooks. Why is it a war of strategy? because this is what Kendrick stands on. Go over there and make people do the Toosie slide, this rap stuff? You're not built for it. And we're tired of you pretending you are.
I agree with alot of this
Even though the Heart pt 6 revealed that Kendrick was given bad information and is supposedly in Album rollout mode, it doesn't detract from the amount of disrespect that the general populace has given Drake this weekend, his credibility is drained.
on top of that, it seems like he hobbled a track together quickly to fire back instead of being as calculated as Dot. and Yet he needed two days to drop this. while Kendrick's disses were marinating in people's minds, he was cooking up a denial.
like you said. Kendrick was the one slapping him up and down, forcing Drake on the defensive for this entire exchange. Even though Kendrick really didn't expose Drake having a daughter and The Heart pt 6 might take away a couple stains off Drake's name, the damage has already been done.
Drake has lost this war in the minds of most rap fans who aren't complete stans.
- OPMay 6, 2024pimpin
That's a great comment and I agree. And you know what? We haven't even talked about the lyrics and pen game yet. Kendrick absolutely killed it in that department too.
The real art of war s***. GOAT s***.
Kendrick said bro there's levels to this. You can't just make tik tok dance tracks and claim your the King of rap.
- May 6, 2024
Interestingly, Kendrick actually had more to lose going into this beef with Drake, considering how private his life is. Kendrick has always kept a low profile, so any revelations or personal attacks could potentially have a bigger impact due to the contrast with his usual secrecy. On the other hand, Drake is much more public about his life, making it less shocking when details emerge. This dynamic adds an extra layer of risk for Kendrick, as public reactions to new information about him could be more intense and surprising.
May 6, 2024also Kdot running laps around Aubrey when it comes to Wife beating
May 6, 2024I appreciate the write up. There are some things I agree with and some I disagree with, but that’s the beauty in discussion. I will say that unpacking this is very difficult just because there was so much that happened that people should be allowed the opportunity to change their opinions as time goes on where there is a clearer understanding of what exactly happened and aren’t as emotionally charged as they are now. I think once all the observers clear out and move on to the next topic of discussion real conversations can be had in peace. Great job though
May 6, 2024·2 repliesTbh just did the kim to it so idk if you addressed this
I think the fact drake wasnt respected from the start played a role into how he changed throughout his career. Borrowing your a***ogy he realized his only option was to rule with fear bc he'll never have the respect of peers or ogs bc of where he came from
- May 6, 2024·2 replies
Kendrick had funnier bars but was basically a bullshit artist who didn't say anything Meek or Push didn't already expose. He goes on and on about Drake being a pedo - and to be clear he's done a lot of suspect s*** - but blows it by making it about Millie Bobby Brown, the 2010 video and the same old s*** we've already heard about. How is that a great diss? Drake is losing but Family Matters, content wise, was a lot better than people are giving it credit for
- May 6, 2024
My take is he got outmaneuvered. He was way too eager to drop the music video. Once Kendrick dropped Euphoria and 6:16, he should've dropped a song goading Kendrick. Push ups was focused on everyone. Make a song just focused on Kendrick. Calling him second to him, etc. Kendrick would drop Meet the Grahams, and that's when Drake could drop the music video.
The topic would be about the claims in Drake's song. But Kendrick outsmarted him by releasing Meet the Grahams right after the music video which made people not care about Family Matters.
He got outsmarted. Pretty simple.
- OPMay 6, 2024·1 replytwntytwntys
You’re telling me a rap beef isn’t about rap but instead who can tarnish the enemy first? Fair… but if it’s all cap? Still valid in your opinion?
Yes,
You know the funny thing about that, is that it just further shows how bad Drake is losing.
If Kendrick is lying, or was indeed punked into believing a fake mole.
If Drake had strategy whatsoever he could've ended this beef ENTIRELY.
he could've let us know before hand that "Kendrick is going to drop a song trying to call him out for having a daughter that doesn't even exist. Why was his angle "lol well if I do have a daughter someone please help me find her omg"
Can you see how he completely messed up his opportunity? Like why are you posting memes.
He could've completely let the cat out the bag before Kendrick even dropped a song.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Kendrick is a vet in this, he knows strategy. It's showing that Drake is completely blindsided and doesn't know what he's doing.
It makes him look really bad in terms of strategy and intellect. I hope I'm having this all make sense.
May 6, 2024DUMMIETbh just did the kim to it so idk if you addressed this
I think the fact drake wasnt respected from the start played a role into how he changed throughout his career. Borrowing your a***ogy he realized his only option was to rule with fear bc he'll never have the respect of peers or ogs bc of where he came from
