This is just a side note not directly answering one's question

But the prison system in the u.s needs to be completely revamped.

Abolishment of private prisons.

Release inmates who are only there for petty crimes, selling weed, prostitution, etc.

Improve overall conditions of prisons

Turn prisons to a rehabilitation center/prison, where serious offenders are placed in the prison. And the other criminals are placed in the centers for rehabilitation.

The rehabilitation centers will rehabilitate inmates to be able to re enter society, and even teach them valuable skills that can get them a job, etc. Can even employ the inmates if the inmates choose to work, where they'll paid a good wage.

Get rid of the stigma that comes with prisons.

Disappointed this wasn’t a synop thread

reforms do not work

Why u say that

because while everything you posted sounds nice in theory, thats about all it is. In reality, all these reforms are talked about nonstop, and even get implemented to certain degrees. but the nature of the system makes it so that they are either unsuccessful, or impossible to implement.

"It goes without saying that if capitalism could develop agriculture, which today lags far behind industry everywhere, if it could raise the standard of living of the masses, who are everywhere still poverty-stricken and underfed, in spite of the amazing advance of technical knowledge, there could be no talk of a superabundance of capital. This "argument" of petty-bourgeois critics of capitalism advance on every occasion. But if capitalism did these things, it would not be capitalism; for uneven development and wretched conditions of the masses are fundamental and inevitable conditions and premises of this mode of production"

quote from Lenin on capitalism. You can honestly apply this to the argument about prison reform. It can't be reformed, because the fundamental nature of prisons does not allow it

reforms are a single step towards change in a world where literally everything must be reviewed and rehauled entirely

• someone who doesn’t understand psychology

Fair enough. I can see how these reforms would probably still be unsuccessful while the current system is still in place.

Not being to deep into this subject like other users. But we would need universal healthcare and a livable minimum wage for everyone.
That should help ease out petty crime.
Then if people still commit petty theft/crimes that should treated with rehab.
More serious crimes like rape/murder/abuse/fraud and theft at high levels then lead to prison and rehab.

Sorry I'm not too knowledgeable about the topic, are there any other contemporary models we should look to? America's prison system is absolutely draconian, but just abolishing them outright doesn't seem very plausible given the current political climate.

Petty crimes, figure out some type of education system to rehabilitate them into society. But if you’re guilty of killing an innocent person or raping someone. No remorse from me, get that booty hole ready because it ain’t gonna be tight no more. No h***

no one is advocating for it to happen in a day

So it would be a step-by-step process, but you just said that reform isn't valid. What exactly would this process entail? You're not giving me much to go off of

reforms cannot be the end goal, is my point. They must be a rung on the ladder towards abolition. with that comes educational services for the general public and for former prisoners re-entering society, better jobs, social services etc., legalization of certain things, more humane conditions within the jails whilst they still exist on the way to abolition, a complete revolution of social relations etc.,

it wouldn't be step-by-step either. that's too rigid.

if they just need "rehabilitation" they shouldnt be in prison.

the standard of living for poor people in the usa is still higher than it was 100 years ago.

Hence why I said turn prisons to rehabilitation centers/prisons

it should be pretty strange 2 most ppl

why?

abolish private prisons, i agree

change laws with regard to what u can go to jail for etc.

but why should we pay for rehabilitation?

U pay for rehabilitation for the good of society. Rehabilitation leads to less crime, more people that can participate and contribute to society.

I mean ur paying for prisions right now, which has only made society worse.