In the scenario that Bernie wins both 2020 and 2024, I see things going one of two ways:

1) Bernie really walks the walk, and through a flurry of executive action, he fixes many of the ailments of the US.

2) Bernie bites his whistle for 8yrs and gets very little accomplished through gridlock from both Dems and GOP.

In option one, I think the idealogy of the democratic party would swing far enough left in a lasting way that almost NONE of the establishment dems we've been dealing with for decades will have a place there any longer. Faced with dropping out of politics altogether or asking for residence in the GOP, many would probably choose the latter. Unless enough of them form a coalition and ironically start their own third party based around centrism.

In option two, does 8yrs of gridlock ruin all momentum the progressive left has in politics going forward? Can moderate dems sufficiently sour the electorate on fair/progressive policies in a lasting way?

Thoughts

If option 1) America permanently becomes a European style social democracy
If option 2) the left wing loses all merit and the neoliberal third way continues forever

I should've mentioned that the establishment Dems are also the oldest segment of politics (in most cases), and so there's a decent chance that some of the more key figures will croak within the next decade regardless of what happens

nothing objectively changes just because bernie gets elected

In the event of option one, which current European country do you think we'd most resemble in that regard? Sweden?

Coupled with action? I don't agree. I think that if you bring legitimate improvements to people's lives (like how Trump brought legitimate improvements to the bank accounts of billionaires), people aren't going to be all that eager to go back to a 2015 status quo. Particularly not with a newer, younger crop of people entering politics like "The Squad"

Something like that or Denmark. Maybe moreso Denmark because I don’t see US authorities treating the migrant issue the same way Sweden did. At the very least with a much more robust social safety net like Germany or France or something.

We are all gonna be broke as s*** waiting 5 months for doctors appointments, all business owners will have moved to the islands somewhere

If you read a lot of Bernie’s interviews, you’ll see much of his vision for his presidency is based on energizing a secondary movement to radically change things politically, one which he simply spearheads from a leadership position. The thing is it this doesn’t happen, or if there’s a bigger backlash, then I don’t know how successful his presidency really could be. Bernie is likable and has some decent ideas on certain things, but I doubt his ability to energize enough mass support to really do what he needs to. He’s not just against republicans, he’s against neolibs, centrists, corporatists, and to a degree, some level of moderate. Moderates may vote him in a primary, but are they going to vote for a progressive senator/rep/local politician as well in tandem? I doubt it. He might lead certain things in an alright direction but I doubt his ability to be as impactful as say, FDR. Even with the entirety of the government, how much has Trump REALLY done from the actual GOP platform? Is abortion gone yet? Are unions shattered? Is p*** outlawed? Trump has lead a lot of stuff vocally more than he has legally. Bernie wouldn’t just have opposition but his own party split with with him. Our legal system makes it very hard to instate change in spite of that

Not with bernie in office, a picture like this can only be achieved via strong economic growth through capitalism

Zero chance at winning, so zero impact

The only parts of this I disagree with is that I don't think Trump really gives af about outlawing p***, or even necessarily shattering unions (as long as this one doesn't affect his own businesses, which it doesn't). His base+GOP may want these things, but does Trump himself? Maybe he does care about banning abortions but idk. Either way, judges blocked that one iirc.

I just mean it’s in the official GOP platform, as were numerous other things which haven’t been done. Trump obviously has no real beliefs, but the rest of the party does. And they haven’t been able to enact that as a party. Bernie arguable wouldn’t even have the party, his platform is completely different essentially. Does anyone really believe even if he’s elected it’s going to be alongside like 50 AOCs and Omars too? The progressive caucus isn’t remotely big enough to make any of his plans viable to enact in full nor dominate/define the party platform. Congressional votes would constantly flail as you’d likely see democrats aligning with republicans to vote against stuff. And this isn’t even mentioning how the SC is broken with him because of Trump

Regardless of what Bernie himself achieves in office he has clearly renewed a socialist movement in this country.

The idea of M4A and tuition-free college won’t end with Bernie Sanders. It is because of him that these ideas are even being talked about in the mainstream and he has dragged the party and America leftward ever so slightly.

These ideas, with the compounding effect of social media, have assured a prominent socialist sentiment in the zeitgeist - regardless of if Bernie completes it himself.

His millions of supporters won’t just go away. They’ll run for office and vote for others that share the same view.

Bernie Sanders will have an everlasting effect on American politics that couldn’t have been possible without the circumventing power of social media around the MSM

And I salute him for it!

America will be a COMMUNIST hell hole where liberals will throw anyone that doesn't follow their politically correct AGENDA in prison

Experts itt

Some things will be changed through executive action but Bernie will be the first to tell you nothing will change without a mass movement of people

Will the young people and working class be prepared for these fights? I think there's a chance

Will the young people and working class be prepared for these fights?

no

Idk, businesses in the Nordic countries deal with high taxes yet are often some of the biggest in the world. The only thing that might actually hurt the economy is the protectionism, cause cross national free trade is very important to these counties economic success

Thats your own cynicism talking and nothing more

Bernie Bros will organize mass protests on Twitch to push Bernie’s agenda forward - officially creating the “gamer” class.

Society would improve for the common man.

No more telecom Monopolies. No more lobbying. Higher education would be available to everyone, no matter their condition... s*** like Amazon would have to downsize, DOC would be completely overhauled, education in general would be overhauled, work conditions would improve along with wages, we'd probably get to work less without losing money

And that's just the beginning.

Of course there would be an unforeseen amount of resistance from the corporate elite in the form of political propaganda (like there is now with Hillary calling him and his supporters sexist and the Republican narrative that he's a CRAZY socialist, which Dems have picked up on )
There would probably be death threats and things of similar nature coming from 'anonymous government entities' which would just be some mercenaries that the corporate elite paid for.

Sadly, I think the elite have a trick up their sleeve for when/if this happens, no matter how unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised if they could use their money to convince a weak nation or enemy nation to start some kind of conflict with us or something of that nature.

I fear with the amount of money they have, there's nothing that can be done anymore. They'll always have the resources and funds to make things go their way, or at the very least, go in a way that doesn't effect the way they operate.

Just look at the Epstein thing.

They were so close to being figured out, and poof, he's gone, along with all the evidence of his apparent suicide. 'No one knows' what went down because 'The guards were SLEEPING and the CAMERAS MALFUNCTIONED OMG WHAT?'

Imagine the type of reach needed to pull off something like this in the United f***ing States and no one questions it? The funniest part is that they didn't even come up with an elaborate scheme that could've been more convincing, they just said some s*** and knew it would stick because people can't be bothered to doubt anything past 'heh, but who cares?'

All I'm saying is, think of how deep and meticulous this corruption is. In Mexico, they're (drug Cartels) doing the same s***, but it's easier to do it there cause no one cares so everything's kind of out in the open. Here, the EXACT SAME S*** is happening, except replace the Cartels with politicians and corporate elitist. They are circumnavigating the law while staying completely incognito. Hell, some of these lobbyist so powerful they can flat out write the laws according to how they want to follow it. cough Time Warner cough

And their biggest ally is complacency.

google: bernie sanders age

Another example of the corporate elite at work:

They've convinced foolish people to root them on like they're #baegoals or something

Yes! Our GDP is up thanks to you, Mr. CEO! Even though I'm still making the same as 2 years ago. Yes create more jobs for me, Mr. CEO! Trickle down those dollars from the tax cuts, Mr. CEO! Oh wait, you have it stored in an offshore bank account to use for bonuses for you and your friends? And you just outsourced an entire branch of your business to China? That's okay, Mr. CEO, that money will always come back to me, just like you said! THANK YOU BASED CEO!!!

And then best we've got on our side is Synopsis.

Yeah, we're f***ed.