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  • Jan 22, 2020
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    well idk what you identify as, but yes some of us would prefer to see capitalism completely gone. bernie just happens to be the candidate that will at least fight for positive change within that system and hopefully improve peoples lives to a certain degree, but its still only a half measure for the most part

    What would capitalism being gone mean?

    Everything would be government run?

    I don't think a removal of the system is possible, especially in this day n age. The next best thing is to augment the current system so that it benefits everyone equally rather than people of a certain level of wealth or social class. That's a way better slogan to sell than socialism.

  • Jan 22, 2020
    Pusha P

    What would capitalism being gone mean?

    Everything would be government run?

    I don't think a removal of the system is possible, especially in this day n age. The next best thing is to augment the current system so that it benefits everyone equally rather than people of a certain level of wealth or social class. That's a way better slogan to sell than socialism.

    no it does not necessarily mean everything is government run

    and capitalism cannot benefit everyone equally, if it could then it wouldn't be capitalism.

  • Jan 22, 2020
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    Pusha P

    Society would improve for the common man.

    No more telecom Monopolies. No more lobbying. Higher education would be available to everyone, no matter their condition... s*** like Amazon would have to downsize, DOC would be completely overhauled, education in general would be overhauled, work conditions would improve along with wages, we'd probably get to work less without losing money

    And that's just the beginning.

    Of course there would be an unforeseen amount of resistance from the corporate elite in the form of political propaganda (like there is now with Hillary calling him and his supporters sexist and the Republican narrative that he's a CRAZY socialist, which Dems have picked up on )
    There would probably be death threats and things of similar nature coming from 'anonymous government entities' which would just be some mercenaries that the corporate elite paid for.

    Sadly, I think the elite have a trick up their sleeve for when/if this happens, no matter how unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised if they could use their money to convince a weak nation or enemy nation to start some kind of conflict with us or something of that nature.

    I fear with the amount of money they have, there's nothing that can be done anymore. They'll always have the resources and funds to make things go their way, or at the very least, go in a way that doesn't effect the way they operate.

    Just look at the Epstein thing.

    They were so close to being figured out, and poof, he's gone, along with all the evidence of his apparent suicide. 'No one knows' what went down because 'The guards were SLEEPING and the CAMERAS MALFUNCTIONED OMG WHAT?'

    Imagine the type of reach needed to pull off something like this in the United f***ing States and no one questions it? The funniest part is that they didn't even come up with an elaborate scheme that could've been more convincing, they just said some s*** and knew it would stick because people can't be bothered to doubt anything past 'heh, but who cares?'

    All I'm saying is, think of how deep and meticulous this corruption is. In Mexico, they're (drug Cartels) doing the same s***, but it's easier to do it there cause no one cares so everything's kind of out in the open. Here, the EXACT SAME S*** is happening, except replace the Cartels with politicians and corporate elitist. They are circumnavigating the law while staying completely incognito. Hell, some of these lobbyist so powerful they can flat out write the laws according to how they want to follow it. cough Time Warner cough

    And their biggest ally is complacency.

    "I fear with the amount of money they have, there's nothing that can be done anymore"

    yes, until we dont respect money. Money is only given its power by the people who use it. If we all decided that we respect the rights of mankind greater than the sovereignty of money then things may collapse for the ones at the top. It happened to Rome, it can happen again.

  • Jan 22, 2020
    frank 2022

    "I fear with the amount of money they have, there's nothing that can be done anymore"

    yes, until we dont respect money. Money is only given its power by the people who use it. If we all decided that we respect the rights of mankind greater than the sovereignty of money then things may collapse for the ones at the top. It happened to Rome, it can happen again.

    These corporations are Trans-national tho. So even if the near-impossible task of devaluing money to the point that humane and rational action is once again more important than money happens in this country, it'll have little affect on the grand scheme of how the country is run.

  • Jan 22, 2020
    Pusha P

    What would capitalism being gone mean?

    Everything would be government run?

    I don't think a removal of the system is possible, especially in this day n age. The next best thing is to augment the current system so that it benefits everyone equally rather than people of a certain level of wealth or social class. That's a way better slogan to sell than socialism.

    Our government is honestly in no state to be overseeing more than they are long-term. Socialism under Bernie would run pretty well-very well. But he'd be out one way or another in 8yrs time and then? There's next to no other government figure I'd trust to responsibly and morally handle something like socialism in this country. THAT can be the long-term goal, but on the way to it, we have to shift operating procedure in Washington way more to a position of morality first and foremost. From that groundwork comes socialism. Trying it the other way around would be devastating in a few short years imho.

  • Jan 22, 2020
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    To be fair there were a ton of protests

    Idk what the demographics of them were tho

    The women's march? That stuff seems so... flaccid to me.

    We need something more like what they do in France

  • Jan 22, 2020

    Depends upon what congress looks like

    If the top still controls the Senate throughout those 8 years: probably not much will happen

  • Jan 23, 2020
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    Moody mann

    The women's march? That stuff seems so... flaccid to me.

    We need something more like what they do in France

    Americans are too subservient and poor to ever do anything to oppose their boss. A general strike would be a miracle in this country

  • Jan 23, 2020
    Saturday

    Looks like China to me

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  • Jan 23, 2020
    Synopsis

    dont put my name in your posts p****

  • Jan 23, 2020
    Lou

    Americans are too subservient and poor to ever do anything to oppose their boss. A general strike would be a miracle in this country

    What’s crazy is that the US under Reagan was weary of the unions in France that they had to infiltrate them and create a moderate union that is in line with the US’s foreign interests in Europe.

    Aside from that, unions in the US are weak and almost nonexistent, thanks to Trump’s executive orders in the beginning of his presidency. But if you remember back in 2016, the teachers’ union staged a big strike in Chicago that forced officials to comply with their demands

  • Jan 23, 2020
    Buckleys Angel

    Bernie is unlucky to do much of anything for at least his first term with the way the Senate still looks

    He's gonna have to focus on bipartisan bills for the first 2 years, infastructure and ending the war in Afghanistan. Then hope there's a 2022 blue wave against Senate obstructionism if he wants to get MC4A, free college and a green new deal done by 2024.

  • Jan 23, 2020
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    Bernie will try to implement his ideas but will be met with great resistance, recall what obama dealt with, Bernie's ideas are much more radical

  • Jan 23, 2020
    Yuzzy

    Bernie will try to implement his ideas but will be met with great resistance, recall what obama dealt with, Bernie's ideas are much more radical

    The difference will be that Bernie said he will actually fight and campaign across the country to organize people to pay attention the their congressmen/women on the major legislation.

    Obama did none of that. Dude just compromised and signed whatever bullshit he knew that would pass.

  • Jan 23, 2020

    Even if Bernie isn't able to get everything done as president, him winning will be more about the major political and economic shift his victory will begin to launch. Bernie is a lot more then just policies, he is the figurehead of the biggest political change this country will have seen in decades.

    His victory will lead to other like minded individuals running in 2022, 2024, 2026 and so on. Eventually Bernie's policies will become the new norm and even more economic ideas will spur from the people who follow him.

  • Jan 23, 2020
    Moody mann

    The women's march? That stuff seems so... flaccid to me.

    We need something more like what they do in France

    it seems flaccid because it is. marches in general are for healing and awareness, but all of that is worth nothing if there is no action.

    it really is the perfect tranquilizer of the masses. makes people feel like they are making a difference, a part of change. meanwhile most world and industry leaders could give less of a f*** behind closed doors. the fact that march leaders coordinate with cities to facilitate demonstrations without getting too much in the way is telling enough

  • Jan 23, 2020

    if bernie is elected and the establishment does not fall in line it will be the last blow to their facade and even the most painful of daft idiots should wake up to the game they’ve been playing for generations

  • Jan 24, 2020
    Lou

    Americans are too subservient and poor to ever do anything to oppose their boss. A general strike would be a miracle in this country

  • Jan 24, 2020

    I think what is important to know is that this is not gonna end at electoralism, electing Bernie to president is gonna simply be the beginning of a movement not the end

    Bernie is obviously the best choice for America right now but don't become complacent, succdems are still largely capitalists at the core and will betray their working class roots if they have to (look at Sweden)

  • Jan 24, 2020

    At least he will put life expectancy in new highs that's for sure.