Again... I literally said that he's not a villain, in any case an anti-hero, but you need to go past the label.
If we happen to agree with his actions it doesn't mean that his actions aren't morally reprehensible, this is why it gets way more closer of "vilifying" him in the final act of the first game than in this one.

crazy how this thread is 90% people being discussing the story and like 10% gameplay

Mans is on a internet forum for kanye west fans, in the video game section and calling someone else a nerd.

Get some p****

I’m just talking about why Joel did it, I’m not talking about whether it was right or wrong in the eyes of Ellie lol

Yes it’s wrong, but he did it because he was wronged. He had no choice when his daughters life was taken

Joel is really the victim here tbh, he was traumatized by the loss of his daughter so he became attached to Ellie. Then after working his ass off they’re like “well she has to die”. But that was never part of the deal. He worked his ass to get her there but y’all never said she had to die, so, he rescinded

Starting this Survivor new game +

You replied to my post originally that was about Joel being the villain for taking away Ellie choice

Not the other way around, so if your not talking about “whether it was right or wrong in the eyes of Ellie” you should of never quoted me “lol”

But as the audience we played as Joel and saw the trauma he went through. He was wronged when the government killed his daughter

Ellie will probably never understand why he did what he did

I'm not even half way through the game and I feel like I reached the climax

The story makes the game.

Crazy how TLOU2 major spoiler I’m abby right now and I’m finding her side of the story very interesting and intriguing and I’m not outraged wtf. I was told I’d be mad 😡😡

Exactly.

What's there to talk about the gameplay? Just stealth kill 500 times, walk around and move some items like a dumpster or some debris to get to the next part.

And his choices lead him to where he ends up in this game

yeah but I wanted Joel to live, I don’t interpret him as the villain of the piece. I just disagree with how you see it, I guess

This whole conversation started because someone said that ND intention was to make Joel look like the bad guy in part II. I ask you, in which of both games do you think that Joel's actions are closer to vilifying him?

lol

id disagree, id say its atleast 50/50 for me

is is that not the normal difficulty im playing @ survivor and be dying alot

Nah bruh lmao thats the hardest difficulty

what hte f***

this makes so much senmse

i was palying and was like why this game so fukcing hard

see I disagree, imo the intro to this game is pretty damning. did the first game have anything as grim and indicative to put joel in a bad light as the intro in this game? imagine not playing the first game, you'd probably think joel was the damn villain and that's the purpose, to justify what happens later on.

serious question, why would people have a problem with a trans main character?

trump just undid Obama era protections on trans peoples health care

So you can be there’s at least some antitrans sentiment raging in this country

On the other hand, Theres a lot more support then there used to be

Hope you get to experiencing more story-driven art (movies, TV, games, etc.) soon.

Cause they secretly wanna bang Abby and they think that makes them gay

The gameplay is very similar to the first one and The Last of Us is known almost entirely for its story.

Why is that crazy?