I understand and I had this argument for Jay Z until he released 4:44

With Tyler he'll lean into more experimentation over his sound /(production)/ wise not a lot are on his level

Maybe he'll let the music talk as OP and others are begging him to do

Great to me would mean get the urge to listen to front to back not just for nostalgia but for it being preophetic or emotionally moving

I genuinely dont think he has a great album

Wdym prophetic?

I think Tyler would benefit greatly from working with outside producers instead of doing all the prod 100% by himself

my point about a$ap rocky is that a nigga that hasn’t cared about music in over 5 years has still had more impact than tyler in general. never mind the j cole’s, future’s, thug’s, kendrick’s and drakes of the world

Jay Z I appreciate his features but even with 444 he didnt really look that inward guys

he acknowledged cheating but he still this year "they created capitalist as a word to hold me down"

And would this imply albums can become _un_great over time?

timeless music

example After Hours a classic to me the whole album hits perfect for the pandemic feels and still to this day

The cool by lupe timeless and still applies

for me personally Ye Donda iconic moments and messsaging

dont agree with much of the negative tyler takes itt but the last sentence here is onto something

Never listened to the song Sticky before until this thread
I understand exactly what OP means. Way too much going on

CMIYGL is a terrible album dawg lol

some of the laziest sample flips and straight disjointed prod period out of any of his albums, LEMONHEAD is embarrassing

it has some gems like WILSHIRE, SWEET, or a JUGGERNAUT but as an entire album im cool off of it ngl

It sounds like you want an album to discuss things that are relevant to you?

Lana Del Rey Born to die still topping the charts kind of music that the years go by it only becomes more true not less

This

I literally prefer his lane over pretty much every other form of rap and I respect the hell out of him as an artist

There’s not one album I’ve heard from him that I was amazed by in the slightest

Everything after it does too

People think I’m a juvenile edgelord for saying his only authentic, good album is Wolf

I enjoy rusty but I am not relistening to that whole album and tyler isnt even the greatest part on that song

Wolf is easily his best imo

he has multiple albums like that though and those of whom that do like him do listen to his music front to back.

if you dont like anything hes dropped until now despite the wide changes in sound hes had from album to album then i dont think its possible that hes gonna convince you atp

Like seriously this nigga struggles with composition and I don’t understand how some of y'all are overlooking the importance of that

You have named the 2 most inauthentic albums in the thread thus far

After Hours and Born To Die

Exactly. Waste of time

tbh there’s nothing really wrong with liking derivative music it’s just his fanbase act high and mighty when someone likes YB or something unless tyler gives his stamp of approval via end of year fav songs lists/features on his albums

tyler spends more time explaining his soul than speaking on society, storytelling or concepts

I love

this obviously

i think the album starts strong but some songs dont fit on here and should have been hype singles ( Sticky)

like what is the meaning of chromakopia to you