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It's just a shame that there is no way Abel will get the Oscar over Rihanna

Oh yeah 😂 in that case I think we can expect this song to simply be called ‘Life’

You’re severely mistaken if you think Avatar had more cultural impact than the MCU in any way whatsoever

And people saying it had no cultural impact extends way deeper than just “quotables”. I promise you most people couldn’t even tell you the main character’s name is that movie

As much as I like Pray For Me, I need some cinematic, orchestra ass music from Abel with this

Could be a classic depending on who produced

Movie about to be EXTREMELY mid.. first movie was a classic cinematic experience tho

looks like you watched the second movie already. How were the visuals?

WHAT.

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It’ll be tough to beat

I never said it has more cultural impact than the MCU. I am saying the first film reached a much larger and more diverse audience than the MCU and that is a fact.

The MCU has had like 25 movies + to build its cultural impact. Avatar is just one movie and it was talked about for years on end to the point that it still sells very well and is watched by many people in theaters on re releases. We can talk about Avatar's cultural impact vs. the MCU after it has had a couple sequels release.

Also most people don't even talk about the MCU in terms of past movies. They will talk about the new movies and then forget about it almost immediately after. The way their model works is that they know they are making mediocre movies but they are cashing in on the IP and the MCU brand so they just make a ton of movies consistently and generate interest for the new one. If they let these movies breath, the brand would die because people would realize how s*** and forgettable they are.

It's been 13 years since Avatar 1. I bet most people couldn't tell you the main characters name in The Godfather either, are you going to say the Godfather has no cultural impact as well?

Meh

Bro people know who Don Corleone is

And the point about people only talking about the recent MCU project isn’t true at all either, I’m constantly seeing MCU related discussion/appreciation online every single day

Avatar was a theatrical spectacle, a landmark for special effects, that’s why people go and revisit it in the theater whenever it’s re-released. Before the promotion for this sequel started, nobody talked about this franchise for literal years (unless it was when Endgame was about to pass it in the box office).

Avatar isn’t remembered as a great movie or a story that people loved, it’s remembered as a phenomenon. There’s a difference.

There isn’t a single iconic scene, moment, line of dialogue, or story element of the first movie that people reminisce on to this day. That’s what people mean when they say it had no cultural impact

idk about the movie but the BGM in the trailer was fire af. excited for the song

I genuinely don't think most people you talk to on the street would be able to tell you who Don Corleone is. I bet most people couldn't tell you the main character's name in Jaws either. Or even the first Jurassic Park. They remember big shark and dinosaurs. Just like they remember blue people in Avatar.

I rarely see MCU appreciation online. I've seen Scorsese's comments on the MCU generate more prolonged interest on social media than even the discussion on Endgame considering its been like 3 years and people/notable celebrities still talk about Scorsese's comments endlessly. People spend more time talking about the MCU as a brand than actually talking about any individual movie.

As for the last point, that's BS lmao. If it was a landmark for special effects and a spectacle, why would people go see it again in the year 2022, a year where many people still don't feel comfortable going to theaters and a year in where there are plenty of visual spectacle movies always coming out. Avatar 1 was groundbreaking in 2009 but in 2022, it visually looks like most other big movies. If people are still seeing it in theaters, it's clearly about more than just the visuals.

Also completely untrue about no one talking about Avatar. People have talked about it endlessly since the release as well as speculation on the sequel. I know it also gets a lot of criticism but all of that is discussion regardless. It wasn't just purely forgotten like the first 2 Thor movies. And again cultural impact goes beyond iconic scenes, quotables, moments. I think Avatar 2 though will try to go for moments like that though. I feel Cameron made Avatar as a way to introduce us to the world and wasn't really expecting it to become the biggest movie ever. And now he's heard all this s*** talking about how it doesn't hold up so I feel he is devising this to be a franchise that does stand apart together.

LETS GOOOOOO

lmao

The song from the first movie still slaps

I promise you people know the name Don Corleone. He’s one of the most iconic characters in cinema history. Avatar doesn’t have a single character anywhere near his cultural recognization. People just know that there’s “blue people” in Avatar.

And yes, Jaws and Jurassic Park don’t necessarily have “iconic” characters, but they have moments throughout the movie that have been remembered and rewatched for decades. Whether it be a line of dialogue, a musical cue, or a story element. Avatar has NONE of these moments. Nobody can quote an iconic line of dialogue in Avatar, an iconic piece of the score, or a crucial moment in the story. The two things that film is remembered for are the box office and the visual effects. That’s literally it.

And finally, people are interested to see how James Cameron can push the boundaries of visual effects once again, because that’s been a big selling point of the sequel (no surprise). I never said no one would watch the sequel, but I’d bet money that the final box office is nowhere near that of the first film’s. People want to see another visual spectacle, but like you said the climate of movie making has changed and caught up to Avatar 1, so unless it’s some truly groundbreaking stuff, it won’t be breaking any records and the impact it will have will be even less than the first movie’s.

Cultural impact doesn’t go farther than iconic moments, dialogue, and story elements because that’s what cultural impact IS when it comes to a movie.

If the only thing people can remember your movie for is that it sold a ton and had some cool visual effects, did that movie really make a lasting imprint on society?

I think the Avatar OST is incredible. Even just watching that trailer from Avatar 2, the music was easily more memorable to me than any other movie OST I have heard in years.

Don Corleone is one of the greatest characters in cinema history, but the Godfather isn't as relevant today as it was in the 70s. I think a ton of people wouldn't be able to tell you who he is because many people just haven't seen the Godfather.

I think while visuals are a big part of Avatar 2's marketing, that is definitely not the only reason people are interested. They want to see a great story. And we have seen what Cameron does in his sequels. The first Alien and first Terminator were very intimate stories that were liked but didn't have nearly the universal attention and love that their sequels got because they became a lot more iconic and far reaching in their appeal. And now both Alien and Terminator are seen as very iconic movies because the sequels made people understand those movies better and appreciate them.