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  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Synopsis

    You are a troll Will. I don't know why you think I'm ever going to take anything you say in good faith. Over the course of your time on this forum you have pretended to be white, asian, whatever fits you at the moment. You have advocated for the genocide of muslims, and posted a litany of other opinions that could only be considered bottom of the barrel. I don't care to discuss how to get there with you, a non troll, because I don't see the need to down a f***ing rabbit hole of "but what if this happens" or "that would never work" or "thats not how it works in reality" or "no one would do that" etc., etc.,

    I’m not a troll at all and think he asked a really valid question, and made a good point from other threads I’ve seen.

    Would genuinely be interested to know how you think we would achieve the things you’re hoping for

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Swz3000

    I’m not a troll at all and think he asked a really valid question, and made a good point from other threads I’ve seen.

    Would genuinely be interested to know how you think we would achieve the things you’re hoping for

    You’re looking for way too much out of OP

    Look through this thread he has no real answers to any questions and no original thoughts

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    farhamptonfreddie

    You’re looking for way too much out of OP

    Look through this thread he has no real answers to any questions and no original thoughts

    That’s my worry tbh there was another thread the other day where he advocated for getting rid of landlords and potentially property ownership - I think this is a really interesting concept and could defo stand behind it.

    Unfortunately he shut down anyone who asked any question, about what is a very radical concept to most people, as being 2nd graders that he couldn’t dignify with a response

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    For a lot of people it’s not a case of being incapable of imagining a restructured system, but it’s that they don’t believe enough people can work together to reach that goal, I think that’s common knowledge. They don’t see it as small steps that equate to large change but a massive feat that they’re too hopeless to take part in. People living in their bubble, which is a lot of people, are content enough to stay in that comfortable bubble and not seek change.

    I personally do believe we can drastically restructure a whole system bc there’s all sorts of small things that have been programmed into our society as norms.

    Also a lot of us constantly complain about “the system” but we don’t do anything about it. That’s just as bad an issue. I’ve only been making changes as of late to not do the same and I’m still making mistakes but I’m consciously trying not to

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Swz3000

    That’s my worry tbh there was another thread the other day where he advocated for getting rid of landlords and potentially property ownership - I think this is a really interesting concept and could defo stand behind it.

    Unfortunately he shut down anyone who asked any question, about what is a very radical concept to most people, as being 2nd graders that he couldn’t dignify with a response

    sypsosis in a nutshell

    "Let's abolish racism"

    People: "How"

    Sypnosys:

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Swz3000

    That’s my worry tbh there was another thread the other day where he advocated for getting rid of landlords and potentially property ownership - I think this is a really interesting concept and could defo stand behind it.

    Unfortunately he shut down anyone who asked any question, about what is a very radical concept to most people, as being 2nd graders that he couldn’t dignify with a response

    I said it to one other person, ironically the same poster

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    I said it to one other person, ironically the same poster

    From memory you’d said it to 2 or 3 that I saw but could be wrong. In any case the questions were legit imo

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Moody mann

    Everything you've mentioned can be and has been acheived in other systems besides capitalism. So yeah you should be talking about Cuba's healthcare system and Russia's modernization of infrastructure. Why ignore it? Cause it doesn't fit your argument?

    Free market is the biggest oxymoron ever lmao. Not gonna waste my time arguing with a libertarian

    Internet socialists love to bring up things like literacy programs without even slightly acknowledging the oppression that facilitated tthe execution of these programs

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    Internet socialists love to bring up things like literacy programs without even slightly acknowledging the oppression that facilitated tthe execution of these programs

    Youre right, Batista was so much better than Castro

    Shouldve stuck with him instead right?

    As far as im concerned the people who choose to become doctors in Cuba do so by their own merits. And have been trained to be excellent at their profession, despite Cuba being needlessly embargoed for decades.

    And if you think jingoist indoctrination doesnt go on in American schools and culture than youd be surely mistaken.

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Every capitalist in this thread needs to listen to Prof Richard Wolff on Youtube

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    Swz3000

    From memory you’d said it to 2 or 3 that I saw but could be wrong. In any case the questions were legit imo

    What were the questions

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    What were the questions

    Can’t remember now bro

  • Jul 5, 2020
    dat guy

    sypsosis in a nutshell

    "Let's abolish racism"

    People: "How"

    Sypnosys:

  • Jul 5, 2020
    Swz3000

    That’s my worry tbh there was another thread the other day where he advocated for getting rid of landlords and potentially property ownership - I think this is a really interesting concept and could defo stand behind it.

    Unfortunately he shut down anyone who asked any question, about what is a very radical concept to most people, as being 2nd graders that he couldn’t dignify with a response

  • Jul 5, 2020

    the Bilderberg Group executed their plans to perfection. this “american dream” concept was pushed upon by people who made generational wealth in a time where the vast majority of people were poor.

  • dat guy

    sypsosis in a nutshell

    "Let's abolish racism"

    People: "How"

    Sypnosys:

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    Moody mann

    Every capitalist in this thread needs to listen to Prof Richard Wolff on Youtube

    wolff is largely a hack that doesn't have respect in the field of econ and writes op-eds all day. wolff himself also doesn't seem to be able to interpret marx correctly.

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    They throw it away because they have to, because for capitalism to thrive you cannot give people all of their basic necessities. it has to exploit people in order to survive as a system. you can't just say "capitalism wouldn't be bad if..." and then describe features that cannot work within capitalism.

    I think you just gotta imagine a capitalist society where all of that can happen.

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    SolidSnaku

    wolff is largely a hack that doesn't have respect in the field of econ and writes op-eds all day. wolff himself also doesn't seem to be able to interpret marx correctly.

    And why should i trust mr random ktt user over Richard Wolffe? What have you done in the field to justify that you know any better than the professor?

    Wolffe has thousands of listeners while you have none. Start your own podcast and lets see what you have to say for yourself

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    Moody mann

    And why should i trust mr random ktt user over Richard Wolffe? What have you done in the field to justify that you know any better than the professor?

    Wolffe has thousands of listeners while you have none. Start your own podcast and lets see what you have to say for yourself

    wolff has thousands of listeners, great. so does peter schiff. so does sargon. they're all still terrible. sure they might have M.A.'s in econ but you also have creationists majoring in biology.

    i'm not an economist, i work in tech. but i am well versed in economics and political history and i can point you to some actual good and respected sources like daron acemoglu and greg mankiw, who have theories heavily derived from rigorous mathematics.

  • Jul 5, 2020
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    SolidSnaku

    wolff has thousands of listeners, great. so does peter schiff. so does sargon. they're all still terrible. sure they might have M.A.'s in econ but you also have creationists majoring in biology.

    i'm not an economist, i work in tech. but i am well versed in economics and political history and i can point you to some actual good and respected sources like daron acemoglu and greg mankiw, who have theories heavily derived from rigorous mathematics.

    So Daron and Greg come to their conclusions through mathematics while Wolffe comes to his conclusions through philosophical conjecture?

    Is this what you’re implying?

  • Jul 5, 2020
    dat guy

    sypsosis in a nutshell

    "Let's abolish racism"

    People: "How"

    Sypnosys:

  • Jul 5, 2020

    You answered your own questions. It’s the strength of capitalist propaganda. People believe that greed is fixated in human nature.