Aug 18, 2023·1 replyJaysonTha Block is Hot erasure
It was cool
I'm not putting it any higher than that and I'm nowhere near being alone in that regard.
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replySkinn Foley
It was cool
I'm not putting it any higher than that and I'm nowhere near being alone in that regard.
Don't matter it's a classic
Aug 18, 2023deleteduser579that’s kinda the angle im at too
like yeah, Wayne, JAY, Em and company definitely commodified the genre, commercialized it whatever, but they were all undeniably skilled and put out fantastic bodies of work
nowadays these dudes are just bleeding the genre dry of its consumers attentions, money, etc. while not making anything artistically meaningful nor engaging
i can see that it’s the “end-result” but i kinda have my reservations on how responsible some of the big players were for these dudes to s*** out horribly monotonous and generic music, and showing little to no depth in any of their music at that too
These guys understood that there was money too be made,but they still respected the listener and Hip Hop as a whole. I think what alot of new fans dont understand is that,even when Wayne,Jay,Em etc were the biggest rappers out,they didn't just want to be tge best commercial rapper,they wanted to be the best artist period,regardless of genre.
They wanted Hip Hop to produce the best music. I don't think newer acts are thinking that way,which is causing an artistic regression in the genre.
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replySkinn Foley
Wayne inspire a boatload of these cornballs today and Em paved the way for equally insufferable, cheap crap like Token, Joyner Lucas, Logic, etc. Jay made it cool to prioritize sales over artistic integrity, Drake's content dump strategy comes from Jay's double disc fiascos during the 2000s
yeah, but they also inspired other legends and other respectable generations of artists outside of the worse ends of their influence
wayne em and jay aren’t responsible for these niggas hopping on generic trap beats and doing the millionth triplet flow swathed in autotune
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replyJayson
Don't matter it's a classic
It's really not, you just grew up in that era and have nostalgia for it
Wayne's first classic was C2
Aug 18, 2023
onedeepOkay but if the vultures leave hip-hop and it becomes good again, they will just come back. Gatekeeping needs to be embraced and incorporated wholeheartedly into hip-hop culture
- Aug 18, 2023·edited·1 replytrees
imo op has a good point. when i was watching @YoungNastyShawty video on rap music being horrible i couldn't help but think of the ringtone app era. tiktok is basically the same s*** right now. eventually something will change.
i think labels and tiktok stop playing so nice with each other and there winds up being some serious ip disputes causing tiktok to be incapable of using songs without getting copyright flagged. this probably forces labels to find a fresh sound and 2016 happens all over again.
The ringtone era was really good. We had Wayne, T.I, Jeezy, Gucci, Dipset, Game, Ye...
Literally a grip of niggas
Edit: there are only 2 labels
- Aug 18, 2023·2 repliesJayson· edited
The ringtone era was really good. We had Wayne, T.I, Jeezy, Gucci, Dipset, Game, Ye...
Literally a grip of niggas
Edit: there are only 2 labels
Everyone there not named Kanye West helped to commodify hip hop extensively
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replySkinn Foley
It's really not, you just grew up in that era and have nostalgia for it
Wayne's first classic was C2
I don't deal in nostalgia
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replyJayson
I don't deal in nostalgia
Yes you do
- Aug 18, 2023Skinn Foley
Yes you do
- Aug 18, 2023Skinn Foley
Everyone there not named Kanye West helped to commodify hip hop extensively
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replydeleteduser579
yeah, but they also inspired other legends and other respectable generations of artists outside of the worse ends of their influence
wayne em and jay aren’t responsible for these niggas hopping on generic trap beats and doing the millionth triplet flow swathed in autotune
Wayne is 100% the start of that pipeline bro has 4 good albums, 2-3 classics out of those 4. He was the guy even before Ye making autotune rap a thing
Jay wasn't exactly killing it w the beats on MCHG either. There's a reason Pimp C was hesitant to work with him
Aug 18, 2023·edited·1 replySkinn FoleyEveryone there not named Kanye West helped to commodify hip hop extensively
Gucci damn near the only one. the rest of them actually worked with “conscious” rappers throughout their careers and showed support to other sub-genres within rap… Trav was signed to T.I. at one point
- Aug 18, 2023Innocent· edited
Gucci damn near the only one. the rest of them actually worked with “conscious” rappers throughout their careers and showed support to other sub-genres within rap… Trav was signed to T.I. at one point
Me liking Travis doesn't mean T.I. didn't help cheapen and pimp out rap to his commercial advantage. "Paper Trail" was a pop sellout album
Birds isn't exactly "high art" either.
Aug 18, 2023I haven’t heard this people think hip hop is kinda trash in my life lmaoooooooo
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replySkinn Foley
Wayne is 100% the start of that pipeline bro has 4 good albums, 2-3 classics out of those 4. He was the guy even before Ye making autotune rap a thing
Jay wasn't exactly killing it w the beats on MCHG either. There's a reason Pimp C was hesitant to work with him
wayne’s autotune rap was one facet of his artistry, compared to dudes like Thug and Future who make it their entire shtick
- Aug 18, 2023·1 replydeleteduser579
wayne’s autotune rap was one facet of his artistry, compared to dudes like Thug and Future who make it their entire shtick
And yet you enjoy both of their outputs
- Aug 19, 2023
like yeah Wayne was one of the originators of autotune rap, but he could undeniably rap and make meaningful songs outside of it, or hell with it
essentially none of these dudes who took his style are on his level rapping wise, even if the production and vocal processing whatever is miles ahead nowadays
- Aug 19, 2023·1 reply
Nas put out hip hop is dead about almost 2 decades too early
- Aug 19, 2023·1 replySkinn Foley
And yet you enjoy both of their outputs
no the f*** i don’t
i despise both of them largely outside of maybe a handful of songs - Aug 19, 2023
As Jadakiss once said, "once you sell over 700,000 copies, it's white fans buying your music"
And white fans aren't buying this:
- Aug 19, 2023deleteduser579
no the f*** i don’t
i despise both of them largely outside of maybe a handful of songs I don't rly bump them a lot either but I do enjoy Future's 2014-2015 stuff
- Aug 19, 2023·2 repliesYoungNastyShawty
Nas put out hip hop is dead about almost 2 decades too early
He most likely seen alot of the writing on the wall within the industry. Same with Pimp C,they seen alot of s*** coming that we couldn't.
Aug 19, 2023·1 replytreesimo op has a good point. when i was watching @YoungNastyShawty video on rap music being horrible i couldn't help but think of the ringtone app era. tiktok is basically the same s*** right now. eventually something will change.
i think labels and tiktok stop playing so nice with each other and there winds up being some serious ip disputes causing tiktok to be incapable of using songs without getting copyright flagged. this probably forces labels to find a fresh sound and 2016 happens all over again.
Something @YoungNastyShawty said that doesnt get talked about is these rappers clique and managers not telling them to come harder or s*** is weak/burnt out, getting validation from the people you pay to be around you
These a&r’s actually need blame too cause they the ones hoping some s*** blows up on tik tok
