I respect the devotion to the philosophy but at some point you have to compromise with the other side in order to make progress along with those people.
Says who?
maybe they should be the ones compromising.
communist nations don't exist, and no.
Why not move to a country that at least has more social policy?
why do communist nations not exist?
Because the US has made sure of it.
This is not why
Why not move to a country that at least has more social policy?
I don't possess the economic privilege to simply move myself to another country, and even then, no.
Says who?
maybe they should be the ones compromising.
If they’re working with you they would be compromising that’s the point
This is not why
Sure you could also that we aren't at a point in time where the material conditions for a true communist revolution are present.
If they’re working with you they would be compromising that’s the point
Yeah if you remove all actual context what compromise typically entails, which people on the further left side capitulating towards the center and the right in the name of pragmatism to push forward some half baked version of actual meaningful policy.
I don't possess the economic privilege to simply move myself to another country, and even then, no.
If you did have the funds why not? I’m curious as to why you’d like to stick around a nation whose market is way freer than others? If you want communism why not go somewhere that practices something closer at least?
Sure you could also that we aren't at a point in time where the material conditions for a true communist revolution are present.
In the US? No I actually would agree but we both know it still wouldn’t reach fruition.
If you did have the funds why not? I’m curious as to why you’d like to stick around a nation whose market is way freer than others? If you want communism why not go somewhere that practices something closer at least?
because i want things to change here. im not looking to move to denmark or some s*** so I can just sit back and forget about all the problems in america
Anyway @Synopsis that's a whole other topic and neither of us are legal scholars
going back to the subject
Even the best examples of the most effective public schools in a diverse city like NYC have been plagued by inequality
This is primary due to the fact entrance exams for even public schools exist if they are highly ranked. The students most prepared for those exams would have been in higher tax paying areas of the city and went through a better primary school curriculum as a result.
I support subsidies to lower income students to cover things such as specialized tutoring, vouches to attend private schools, and more choice. I've seen this work for me and 1000s of others students from NYC through HEOP, SEEK, and EOP at the higher education level.
I encourage anyone to research these programs. They are present in all of NY's public schools and a lot of the Uni. of Cal. schools -- even Berkeley. Private institutions such as Cornell, University of Rochester in NY also have the program.
It provides substantial grants, reduced admission standards, required tutoring/programming, specialized personal/academic counseling and textbook cost coverage. There are set income standards and academic standards that target lower income students who show potential for higher education (despite having lower stats).
Many of these programs have been very successful. They were founded in the 1970s in NYC, originally targeted for increasing the number of minorities in high ed.
Social mobility is the realistic answer to this, poverty perpetuates the inequality in public schools and always will no matter you do until you completely poverty. Private K-12 schools are not the concern. If you're in a poorer area of the city, you have virtually no choice but to attend the s*** high school in your area that the Board of Ed. assigned you when you graduated middle school. (That's at least how it works in NY)
Higher income parents will send their kids to richer school districts if you eliminated private school options (which isn't even legal, anyway cough).
I can attest to the success of my own Alma Mater's EOP (Educational Opportunities Program) which has taken me a first generation american and failed high school student, invested me, and gave the social mobility needed for me to attend a good school and graduate into a profession of high income. In 4 years I went from living in a household with a income of lower than 17k all my life, to a salary several times higher, with a paid for masters degree on top of that.
My story isn't unusual in these programs, they have graduated 10s of thousands over the decades of their existence and changed many lives.
In the US? No I actually would agree but we both know it still wouldn’t reach fruition.
u suffer from a lack of imagination as i said earlier.
Yeah if you remove all actual context what compromise typically entails, which people on the further left side capitulating towards the center and the right in the name of pragmatism to push forward some half baked version of actual meaningful policy.
Well I don’t know what to tell you bro. Not everyone wants communism and so long as you live in a nation founded on free market capitalism (an idea that’s held the nation together for almost 250 years) people will not submit to communism. That’s why I’m asking why you’ve never thought about moving.
Anyway @Synopsis that's a whole other topic and neither of us are legal scholars
going back to the subject
Even the best examples of the most effective public schools in a diverse city like NYC have been plagued by inequality
https://twitter.com/KristenClarkeJD/status/1107814236263202816This is primary due to the fact entrance exams for even public schools exist if they are highly ranked. The students most prepared for those exams would have been in higher tax paying areas of the city and went through a better primary school curriculum as a result.
I support subsidies to lower income students to cover things such as specialized tutoring, vouches to attend private schools, and more choice. I've seen this work for me and 1000s of others students from NYC through HEOP, SEEK, and EOP at the higher education level.
I encourage anyone to research these programs. They are present in all of NY's public schools and a lot of the Uni. of Cal. schools -- even Berkeley. Private institutions such as Cornell, University of Rochester in NY also have the program.
It provides substantial grants, reduced admission standards, required tutoring/programming, specialized personal/academic counseling and textbook cost coverage. There are set income standards and academic standards that target lower income students who show potential for higher education (despite having lower stats).
Many of these programs have been very successful. They were founded in the 1970s in NYC, originally targeted for increasing the number of minorities in high ed.
Social mobility is the realistic answer to this, poverty perpetuates the inequality in public schools and always will no matter you do until you completely poverty. Private K-12 schools are not the concern. If you're in a poorer area of the city, you have virtually no choice but to attend the s*** high school in your area that the Board of Ed. assigned you when you graduated middle school. (That's at least how it works in NY)
Higher income parents will send their kids to richer school districts if you eliminated private school options (which isn't even legal, anyway cough).
I can attest to the success of my own Alma Mater's EOP (Educational Opportunities Program) which has taken me a first generation american and failed high school student, invested me, and gave the social mobility needed for me to attend a good school and graduate into a profession of high income. In 4 years I went from living in a household with a income of lower than 17k all my life, to a salary several times higher, with a paid for masters degree on top of that.
My story isn't unusual in these programs, they have graduated 10s of thousands over the decades of their existence and changed many lives.
private schools aren't the only thing that needs to be done, its just one thing on a list.
because i want things to change here. im not looking to move to denmark or some s*** so I can just sit back and forget about all the problems in america
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u suffer from a lack of imagination as i said earlier.
No I just know what country I live in lmao
private schools aren't the only thing that needs to be done, its just one thing on a list.
You're ignorant, didn't even read the post before making a response, and don't deserve further acknowledgement on this subject because I feel you have nether the life exp. or expertise to tackle it objectively or productively.
Sorry.
Well I don’t know what to tell you bro. Not everyone wants communism and so long as you live in a nation founded on free market capitalism (an idea that’s held the nation together for almost 250 years) people will not submit to communism. That’s why I’m asking why you’ve never thought about moving.
every empire dies eventually. capitalism won't be the first economic system that collapses and is replaced.
every empire dies eventually. capitalism won't be the first economic system that collapses and is replaced.
UBI isn’t too far away but even that will begin being led and fed by capitalism. If communism ever truly comes it’ll be because it’s a dire necessity for the preservation of the human race, not because people will willingly submit their wealth for the sake of others’ wellbeing. I promise you this won’t happen for at least another 100 years (in the US)
You're ignorant, didn't even read the post before making a response, and don't deserve further acknowledgement on this subject because I feel you have nether the life exp. or expertise to tackle it objectively or productively.
Sorry.
you wrote a couple hundred words at best, not an essay, it doesn't take that long to read it. i don't really care nor do I need your acknowledgement either, so yeah you can f*** off as well.
you wrote a couple hundred words at best, not an essay, it doesn't take that long to read it. i don't really care nor do I need your acknowledgement either, so yeah you can f*** off as well.
You replied in literally 3 seconds of posting it since I @'d you.
You're disingenuous f*** off lol
UBI isn’t too far away but even that will begin being led and fed by capitalism. If communism ever truly comes it’ll be because it’s a dire necessity for the preservation of the human race, not because people will willingly submit their wealth for the sake of others’ wellbeing. I promise you this won’t happen for at least another 100 years (in the US)
No one is under any illusion that some rich b******s are going to willingly submit their wealth lol
and in 100 years we aren't even going to have a society unless we have communism before that.