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  • Jul 3, 2024

    As big of a Tarantino fan as I am, I had no idea about this. I knew Natural Born Killers and True Romance came from the same original screenplay but had no idea Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs did too.

    From co-writer Roger Avary:

    I wrote a screenplay called The Open Road. It was about a journalist who visits this town that is trapped in hell. Quite like the film After Hours. It was 65 pages, and to meet Hollywood standards, you usually have to have at least 120 pages of writing.

    I showed it to Quentin and he loved it. He told me to pursue it and write more, but I said I was done with it.

    The truth was I wanted to do something else. Quentin liked it so much that he asked me whether I could give it to him and to re-write it, maybe expand it in some way or make it better. I agreed since at that time we were very good friends and loved cinema and shared almost everything about it.

    It must have been another six months when Quentin emerged from his room -- this shabby place where he would live and breathe movies (and sleep only on a mattress) with heavy hand-written literature.

    He held in his hand what would soon become True Romance, parts of Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs and, yes, Pulp Fiction.

    He went on to add stories within stories within stories from the source material that I had given him. It was a struggle to read it because Quentin is not formally trained. And he has horrible handwriting.

    Source: m.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-how-pulp-fiction-happened-the-real-story/20120809.htm

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    This is more so for the screenwriters on here to showcase how other great screenplays came about. Originating from the same place.

  • Jul 3, 2024

    Also at one point when Pulp Fiction was gonna be three separate stories by 3 different directors, Reservoir Dogs was gonna be Tarantino’s story in pulp fiction:

    Most notably, Avary contributed material which, combined with Tarantino’s, formed the basis of Pulp Fiction (1994) for which he and Tarantino won the Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay. Earlier in their careers, Tarantino and Avary had planned on making an anthology movie comprised of three short films; one written and directed by Avary, one written and directed by Tarantino, and one written and directed by a third filmmaker, reportedly Adam Rifkin. When the third filmmaker never materialized, Tarantino and Avary took their respective stories and expanded them into full length screenplays separately. Tarantino’s story became Reservoir Dogs, and Avary’s story became “Pandemonium Reigns”. “Pandemonium Reigns” ended up forming the basis of the “Gold Watch” chapter of Pulp Fiction (an earlier version of his website displayed an excerpt from “Pandemonium Reigns”, illustrating the changes that were made by Tarantino when writing “The Gold Watch”), and other odd scenes Avary had written during his rewrite of True Romance were reworked and incorporated into the Pulp Fiction script, such as the accidental shooting of Marvin, and the scene in which the bullets fired at Jules and Vincent miss their targets. Tarantino and Avary got together in Amsterdam shortly after the release of Reservoir Dogs, and pasted each other’s scenes together into a first draft, after which Avary left to film Killing Zoe, leaving Tarantino to continue subsequent writing of Pulp Fiction.

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    So basically:

    • Rogers wrote the original True Romance, titled “The Open Road”

    • Tarantino rewrote it into a 500 page script that added more to True Romance and had other parts for NBK, Reservoir dogs and Pulp. The man was writing stories within stories within stories in this ONE draft.

    • Tarantino trimmed it down into True Romance, but it was non-linear with the protagonist getting killed

    • Oliver Stone wanted it changed so Roger rewrote that into the linear version we have now with the new ending. BUT in this rewrite he also had the “Marvin gets shot” and “bullets miss Jules and Vince” Pulp Fiction scenes mixed in that went unused (obviously)

    • From there Tarantino and Roger wanted to do a 3-story anthology. Utilizing the unused scenes from the True Romance drafts.

    • Once the 3-story anthology didn’t happen, Tarantino expanded his story into what became Reservoir Dogs. And Roger’s story was “The Gold watch”

    • After QT makes Reservoir dogs him and Roger take a trip to Amsterdam to write Pulp Fiction in which they use all this unused material from the True Romance drafts and the Gold Watch story Roger had written prior.

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    This is the least surprising thing I've ever heard yea. Besides Reservoir Dogs being lumped in. Feels like its own thing.

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    Block Muteson

    This is the least surprising thing I've ever heard yea. Besides Reservoir Dogs being lumped in. Feels like its own thing.

    Until you realize RD was originally 1/3 of Pulp Fiction

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    Oscar Winner

    Until you realize RD was originally 1/3 of Pulp Fiction

    RD does have some timeline gimmick in it, but I think it being so isolated is the charm. As part of a larger story, it loses that.

    TR/NBK/PF had so many damn ripoffs
    Just watched this one which kind of spoofed them

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    Can't get into True Romance or Natural Born Killers for the life of me

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    Block Muteson

    RD does have some timeline gimmick in it, but I think it being so isolated is the charm. As part of a larger story, it loses that.

    TR/NBK/PF had so many damn ripoffs
    Just watched this one which kind of spoofed them

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4bizbSsAzY

    Lmao that s*** bout to come out on criterion

  • Oscar Winner

    Lmao that s*** bout to come out on criterion

    They came out with a director's cut and did a bunch of Gregg Araki retrospectives

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    Crine you seriously ain’t know pulp and dogs was connected but knew the other 2 were LMAO

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    Sell

    Crine you seriously ain’t know pulp and dogs was connected but knew the other 2 were LMAO

    You saying this as if it’s obvious

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    Sell

    Crine you seriously ain’t know pulp and dogs was connected but knew the other 2 were LMAO

    Nigga this is not general knowledge what the

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    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    Nigga this is not general knowledge what the

  • BIG CHIEF THUG

    Can't get into True Romance or Natural Born Killers for the life of me

    True Romance soundtrack drove me through a wall but I like Tony Soprano monologue. That eggplant scene was outrageous you just know know that's Quentin's favorite bit

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    BIG CHIEF THUG

    Can't get into True Romance or Natural Born Killers for the life of me

    theyre not good movies, thats probably the reason

  • Snowboy

    theyre not good movies, thats probably the reason

    I love Woody Harrelson and Quentin Tarantino adjacent movies so it should be a slam dunk even on a mid level but from everything I've seen it's just meh

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    Snowboy

    theyre not good movies, thats probably the reason

    Gripes with True Romance?

  • Am I weird for getting slight Lynch vibes from True Romance or is that modern Lynchism worship f***ing with my head

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    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    Gripes with True Romance?

    its a lot of things, in general though I dont vibe with all the n-word s*** that has aged poorly and I think christian slater is bizarrely miscast as the lead. the scene with gandolfini is cool tho.

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    Block Muteson

    RD does have some timeline gimmick in it, but I think it being so isolated is the charm. As part of a larger story, it loses that.

    TR/NBK/PF had so many damn ripoffs
    Just watched this one which kind of spoofed them

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4bizbSsAzY

    You ever watch Go (1999)?

    Prob my fav post-Pulp Fiction influenced movie

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    RD and PF supposedly take place in the same universe so its cool to know they came from the same place

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    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    Gripes with True Romance?

    Without going into the N word monologue or Gandolfini beating the piss out of Arquette which are both pretty rancid,

    It's a bunch of one day cameo shoots cut together where people talk past each other. Sam Jack? Nope, pooft. Gary Oldman? He's got a plane in the morning. Brad Pitt is in a pocket dimension on a couch. Gandolfini has to pretend he exists at one point. Walken doesn't bother to show up in the third act.

    Watch something like Burn After Reading that convincingly weaves together isolated performances with phone calls and the like. Pitt and Clooney don't actually spend any time together at all. That's used as a punchline more than an obstacle. The whole film is premised on miscommunication.

    You can make it work or you can just slap together what's available. TR is the latter.

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    Block Muteson

    Without going into the N word monologue or Gandolfini beating the piss out of Arquette which are both pretty rancid,

    It's a bunch of one day cameo shoots cut together where people talk past each other. Sam Jack? Nope, pooft. Gary Oldman? He's got a plane in the morning. Brad Pitt is in a pocket dimension on a couch. Gandolfini has to pretend he exists at one point. Walken doesn't bother to show up in the third act.

    Watch something like Burn After Reading that convincingly weaves together isolated performances with phone calls and the like. Pitt and Clooney don't actually spend any time together at all. That's used as a punchline more than an obstacle. The whole film is premised on miscommunication.

    You can make it work or you can just slap together what's available. TR is the latter.

    Jim Carrey and Ed Harris are never in a room together in Truman show

  • Jul 7, 2024

    In summary: give up you’ve already lost