Wholeheartedly disagree on all fronts. The power of 2000s tech just isn’t enough to compete with what came after.

2010s was the birth of soulsborne, yakuza, xenoblade, Bayonetta, MOBA’s, so many incredible platformers like hollow knight, etc. You mentioned Bioshock but don’t forget the best bioshock game was released in 2013

The only thing the 2000s can really say they owned was online multiplayer shooters imo

How old are you? Tech has NOTHING to do with game quality. MOBA was birthed because of Warcraft 3. Bayonetta and no infinite wasnt even close to the og.
Nobody cares about yakuaza or xenoblade lmao

We may be looking at this differently tho. Idc about influence and all that. I just care about what game is better.

You’ll never hear me saying chrono trigger is a top 10 JRPG. Top 10 most influential? Sure. But just like as a game? Nah it’s been surpassed by dozens

Ok im just going to stop this conversation tbh. The devs of the biggest jrpgs of the last 20 years wouldn’t compare their games to chrono trigger. You must not have been around when these games came out, if you were I doubt you would think this.
Videogames are definitely on a decline in everything but the amount of pixels they fit into the screen. I get it’s subjective, you can like what you like and power to you for liking what you do, but the game design of the OG games were just so genius and forward thinking nothing in the last 15 years can compare to them.
Also the games are influential because they’re better. They were so good, others copied them as a blueprint to create the modern games people play today.

F*** no lmao

Any Country music from the 90s and before blows whatever the f*** is on the radio now out of the water

Tech dictates what is possible. You cannot create something if you don’t have the means to create it

Bayonetta 1 and 2 are some of greatest action games oat. Yakuza is one of the best game series oat. Xenoblade series are some of the best JRPG ever

Idk how anyone can scoff at such titles. What’s next? Persona 2 was better than 5? Killing me

No restrictions are what creates great art. It’s the tech restrictions that made the games so great. The biggest thing the tech held back was just the amount of pixels on a screen.
When you’re not falling back on pixels, the writing, game design, aesthetic, mechanics, music are what you have to rely on and those are the true inner workings that make good games.
Now developers ignore all of this and just use high res assets and people go oooh pretty game. Like one of the big Nintendo guys said “Americans just want to kill stuff, in HD” it perfectly encapsulates what’s wrong with videogames today.
Not to mention videogames today are still usually ugly as s***. Stuff clipping through armour, ugly facial animations, unreactive environments, ugly aesthetics. It’s terrible. 99% of games today are hideous compare to Yoshi’s island for example, despite the tech difference. Nobody working on hollow knight would say that game is better than super mario world, island, the old Metroid games, etc.

Bayonetta has nothing on God of War or the big action games of that era and owe every bit of their success to them. Nobody that worked on bayonetta would think it’s better than half life or god of war or any fo the games I listed, I would bet money on it. I have never heard anyone but you claim Yakuza is the best game series of OAT lol. Which is fine, it can be your favourite. But those old games really are considered by most people, especially those that lived through both era of games being released, to be a lot better.

Also the tech in its day was way more revolutionary than the tech is today. Progress has stagnated. Look at fallout 2 compare to fallout 3, that tech developed in 10 years. 10 years ago games look pretty much the same as they do today, with just higher resolution textures. The tech was way way more impressive than what we have today.

Are Vr games just better than none VR game because the tech is better? Is whatever garbage action movie in theatres today better than Star Wars because the tech is better? Like the tech is irrelevant. Or at the very least, is one of many many factors that go into a game and is far from the most important one.

Also you’re the one scoffing at literally the most important videogames ever created, not me!

I would really suggest, if you want to have an incredible time, is put aside the pixels and play these old games. You’re very lucky to be able to play them for the first time.

They never stopped but in the past 2 years they seemed to have released a lot, and like I said there's new manufacturers aside from basically just stern and William releasing noteworthy ones

Jaws is a modern classic

I had far more glitches and problems with botw than I ever did with sv, did you ever play sv?

Everything I see people complain about is directly due to console restraints being far more of an issue due to the volume of what a pokemon game needs to have in it

poptimism did a number on yall

Video games but not cost to make or industry

Video games? Stand up comedy? Podcasts? Youtube essays? TV?

worse than ever save for stand up bc I dont watch it

its the same consumerism bs but some of these recent vinyl reissues and more merch in general is nice to see. but overall everything is on the downslide as expected and the only 'good' things one might find are mostly individually picked low-stake interests

live shows

since COVID ended I've seen acts i thought'd i'd never ever see live

hardcore definitely back

@Butters1017 @nightingalexo what hardcore bands/scenes are you f***ing with right now??

Even my non-major city got some seriously good music coming out consistently

Michigan has some sick stuff both east and west, which can sometimes get split to include Detroit, flint, Muskegon, Holland and grand rapids into smaller bubbles (idk how big Holland itself is I just follow a couple dope musicians rn are living there)

Malicious destruction of property
World of malice - had my favorite small band debut this year, some good live footage on them too
Cherrri (she never stops recording it's insane)
Spitsaw
Cemetery girl
Piss leach
Wounded touch
Ammonia

Are all newer projects I follow, lot more if I check my Instagram too lol

Buffalo, ny has some sick s*** coming out all the time, I'm huge on spaced,I'm usually just getting recommendations from friends with this area though

Chicago of course and I'm also trying to pay more attention to Oklahoma but idk how

Oh and Cali, I guess LA has a lot coming out too, I have a friend from there who's always giving me stuff to hear. Candy I think is from there and they have my heavy aoty pick

edit I forgot UK has some bands I really like, I think gasm is one but inflicter is sick as hell idk if they released anything this year but last year had good s***

Like ballparks?

Basketball talent is on the incline..but the NBA? Nah.. gambling and officiating messed the game up.

live streaming when you don’t pay attention to kick

The P word

to me, movies and music

there's never been more people alive making more things. just means you gotta be more keen in your search

Metal is coming back