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  • Nov 27, 2020
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    Buchan

    Definitely. Legal immigration needs to be improved, made easier. Illegal immigration needs to be eliminated.

    Cant have illegal immigration if all immigration is legal

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    Buchan

    Definitely. Legal immigration needs to be improved, made easier. Illegal immigration needs to be eliminated.

    Legal immigration is fine. We take more immigrants than the next 5 top countries combined. We just need to expand benefits for refugees/asylum seekers.

    I’m sick of everyone s***ting on our immigration practices, when Mexico and Canada are both more discriminating when it comes to immigration.

  • Nov 27, 2020
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    TragedyBerlusconi

    Cant have illegal immigration if all immigration is legal

    can't have illegality or legality if we do away with legal systems

  • Nov 27, 2020
    TragedyBerlusconi

    Many (not all) think that racism is a product of capitalism, and that to be anti racist means to be anti capitalist.

    Yet we've seen many nominally anti capitalist and racist movements devolve into racism eventually.
    So what is the problem?

    No one thinks that racism is a product of capitalism. They recognise capitalism as a system built on racist grounds that perpetuates racism for its own development

  • Sponge2ChanBob

    can't have illegality or legality if we do away with legal systems

    Are you on crack? I want my rights protected by law or I'll protect them myself

    No but really, what is there to be gained by abolishing the legal system that protects peoples individual rights

  • Nov 27, 2020
    BIGGWAVE

    socialists just broke bois tbh

  • Nov 27, 2020

    I've never heard a socialist ever say that socialism would cure racism lol.

  • Nov 27, 2020
    BIGGWAVE

    socialists just broke bois tbh

    you big Bezos?

  • Dec 6, 2020
    92 BRICKS

    No one thinks that, not even socialists. Where did you get this idea that socialists think that racism can completely disappear

    What a dishonest post

  • Dec 6, 2020
    Nessy

    yes politicians do

    no capitalist power goes around lobbying to keep police brutality, voter suppression, etc going because it helps their interests

    politicians perpetuate systemic racism to stay in power and then help economic interests of the elite and not the other way around

    Capitalist powers fund the politicians who perpetuate systemic racism and use all of their influence in media, academia etc. to undermine those politicians who aim to dismantle it.

  • Dec 6, 2020
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    Nessy

    im not saying they're on the side of the people against the police lmao they want someone to protect their s*** and keep social order for their business to grow. what I'm saying is they have 0 interest in the police being racist or not

    also donation culture is bad in essence

    That's cap they definitely do.

    It's not just cheap prison labor, but racism in general keeps their place at the top more secure when working class whites hate poorer working class non-whites instead of rich whites who are exploiting them.

  • Dec 6, 2020
    Y0rn

    Communism is different from socialism btw

  • Nessy 🦎
    Dec 6, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    That's cap they definitely do.

    It's not just cheap prison labor, but racism in general keeps their place at the top more secure when working class whites hate poorer working class non-whites instead of rich whites who are exploiting them.

    Some are cause they are ideologically racist from the jump but it’s not a systematic thing

    Elites are obviously pro establishment for the most part so if all the political system has to offer is politicians who are for the status quo or for racist laws they won’t go out of their ways to do anything about it. But other than that it’s more about what politicians can do to expand their wealth rather than what they can do to keep others down.

    Conservative CEOs and companies will donate to racist politicians, but the finance companies will support pro deregulation candidates, the industrial companies will support climate change deniers, the tech world will support whoever gives them tax cuts and research fundings, etc. The rich is focused on getting richer and politicians are focused on not making white people mad and finding scapegoats.

    The biggest effect of oligarchy here is that if politicians only need to please the rich to get elected they’ll focus on them and wont have to put any time or effort to disadvantaged communities which will perpetuate racism - added to the fact they’ll actively participate in racism if their voter base is racist.

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    Racism as we see today is the product of European colonialism and Anglo-American neocolonialism. The level of racism we experience today didn't exist in Greco-Roman times because even then, the lack of economic inequality between whole races didnt exist, so those prejudices didn't exist, and instead inequalities were organized between urban and rural populations throughout all ethnic groups of the Empire.

    As white Europeans colonized entire continents and races as a result of technological advancements that sprouted from the feudal competition of the Middle Ages, economic inequalities started becoming organized along racial lines as China, the Americas, and especially Africa all were the sources of European benefactors' wealth.

    This system of exploitation needed a form of justification, and theories of Social Darwinism and "noble colonizers" came up since, race was the biggest divider between Europeans and their subjects, to justify a system that somehow couldn't be justified any other way.

    Even today, this same racism exists because the inequalities and hierarchies that existed back then still exist, no matter how many civil liberties are granted to exploited races. That's because economic hierarchies reign supreme in this country, and until all people are given an equal chance to gain the same economic "momentum," those racial hierarchies will always exist

    Obviously you won't get rid of racism in the first few generations of socialist society since people will remember the hierarchies they were placed in and still subconsciously think about it, but since there would be literally no way to politically or economically undermine a race, it would eventually have to end as cooler heads prevail.

  • Dec 7, 2020
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    TLDR: Racism as we know it today was organized as a justification for capitalist colonialism, and just as we get rid of the economic hierarchy of capitalism, racism will eventually follow.

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    americana

    TLDR: Racism as we know it today was organized as a justification for capitalist colonialism, and just as we get rid of the economic hierarchy of capitalism, racism will eventually follow.

    Now you'll notice some alt right movements tend to get rid of any racist rhetorics in their arguments to go back to the original ethnocentrism that existed way before colonization.

    Those who were white supremacists yesterday will now gladly tell you east asian people are a superior culture to justify a hierarchy of civilizations where emerging and muslim countries are at the bottom.

  • Dec 7, 2020
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    Nessy

    Now you'll notice some alt right movements tend to get rid of any racist rhetorics in their arguments to go back to the original ethnocentrism that existed way before colonization.

    Those who were white supremacists yesterday will now gladly tell you east asian people are a superior culture to justify a hierarchy of civilizations where emerging and muslim countries are at the bottom.

    it's also funny because they completely disregard the empires of Mali, Nubia, the Incans and Mayans, and a plethora of other empires that existed in a far more powerful capacity than medieval Europe

  • Nessy 🦎
    Dec 7, 2020
    americana

    it's also funny because they completely disregard the empires of Mali, Nubia, the Incans and Mayans, and a plethora of other empires that existed in a far more powerful capacity than medieval Europe

    lmao you dont even have to go that far they'll also tell you the middle east has always been at war and has never contributed to anything for the world

  • Dec 8, 2020
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    americana

    TLDR: Racism as we know it today was organized as a justification for capitalist colonialism, and just as we get rid of the economic hierarchy of capitalism, racism will eventually follow.

    lets get rid of racism and keep capitalism thanks

  • The declining grey matter in our brain

  • Dec 8, 2020
    TragedyBerlusconi

    lets get rid of racism and keep capitalism thanks

    Hint: you can't

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    lets get rid of racism and keep capitalism thanks

    they’ve become intrinsically tied once colonialism became a major factor in capitalist practice since it only reinforces capitalism

    even today, the racist and colonial concept of the rich 1st world (Europe and America) and the poor Third World is something that seems to never change, as the capitalist system seeks a “lower class” to exploit for profit

    and to be able to get rid of racism there must be a massive, SOCIALIST, redistribution of wealth and reconstruction of industry, infrastructure, and entrepreneurship

    little middle school instagram comment quips like what you said c ant avoid the existence of the ghosts of colonialism

  • Dec 8, 2020
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    americana

    they’ve become intrinsically tied once colonialism became a major factor in capitalist practice since it only reinforces capitalism

    even today, the racist and colonial concept of the rich 1st world (Europe and America) and the poor Third World is something that seems to never change, as the capitalist system seeks a “lower class” to exploit for profit

    and to be able to get rid of racism there must be a massive, SOCIALIST, redistribution of wealth and reconstruction of industry, infrastructure, and entrepreneurship

    little middle school instagram comment quips like what you said c ant avoid the existence of the ghosts of colonialism

    This doesnt explain the existence of capitalist and rich countries that never had empires nor engaged in imperialism, nor the fall in poverty felt across the entire planet

  • Dec 8, 2020
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    TragedyBerlusconi

    This doesnt explain the existence of capitalist and rich countries that never had empires nor engaged in imperialism, nor the fall in poverty felt across the entire planet

    What capitalist and rich countries? Arabia? Japan? South Korea? Scandinavia? Arabian countries employ black and East Asian slaves even today who earn meager wages and have passports revoked so they can't return home. Japan and Korea have some of the most debilitating work cultures in the world and experience massive suicide rates, shrinking populations, and low happiness. Traditional Scandinavian wealth has always been linked to internal and left wing social policy, but practices like Scandinavian exceptionalism are linked to a general opposition to outsiders, which end up usually being nonwhite, and Swedish corporations like IKEA and Saab still use cheap, cents-on-the-dollar labor in a plethora of third world countries.

    As for the fall in poverty, it can actually be evidenced in socialist and proto-socialist laborers' rights movements secured the rights of workers in the 20th centuries. As for a fall in poverty throughout the world, this is because companies have diverted most labor from the first world into the third world because it is fare cheaper. So yes, while they may be earning more money than the 1970's because of overseas production, you're dividing maybe 2-3% of the wages americans got among a population that's 4-5 times bigger, so the wealth accrual that we're seeing is extremely negligible, and it's coming a the cost of Americans, who are seeing a decrease in food security and an increase in general cost while wages stagnate. Also, the wealth that the third world makes doesn't stop climate change or starvation, which kills 9,000,000 a year of which 3,100,000 are children

    Which is funny because capitalist run to any and every mistake a socialist framework makes, but the "tried and true" system kills more people every year

    TLDR: They use other racist or neo-colonial methods. The increase is because of the exportation of labor by American companies so that they have to pay fewer wages (usually by cents on the dollar)

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