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  • Oct 19, 2022
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    americana

    Okay, so they’re in a bad position. Let’s apply knowledge of their position to YOU. You clearly aren’t them, you’re posting about an existential crisis on a forum. Why are you suddenly so callous as to think your life is meaningless when you clearly have pity for these people and can work towards something that can help them?

    in the end... no matter how much good I do, there will be a point where it didn't matter... any suffering that exists would be ultimately purposeless and irredeemable.

    literally anything anybody works for will end someday and it won't ultimately amount to anything...whether we all give everything to the poor and work in slums or we extort money, ultimately it would come to nothing either way.

  • Oct 19, 2022
    americana

  • Oct 19, 2022
    Durkio Stan

    let's imagine one of the worst possible lives a person could have:

    they're born into a slum, a parasite blinds them at a young age, their family leaves them because they can't take care of them. They have to walk the streets and a car hits them, so now they can't really even do that. Slowly this person's ears go bad too. now they can't really walk well or see at all and have to scrounge for food, don't know where their family is, etc. people constantly take the little money or food they can gain because there's nothing they can do about it.

    how can this person turn this into a positive? i think people that disagree with this logic live a good life and dont have to worry about things like starving to death or getting their legs blown off..

    Bro really making up worst case scenarios of living in his spare time
    Like whole ass stories lol go write a book on it

  • Oct 19, 2022
    necromancer

    I mean, religious ideals/rituals have largely taken on secular forms

    The shortcoming of a lot of militant atheists is that they don’t realize this and end up perpetuating the same religious values under a secular clothing, being very unaware of it

    It’s why I largely believe that politics can never transcend moralism and ethics, no matter how hard it claims to

    Politics will always have a subjective influence. It’s just how people commit themselves to religion in such a contradictory way that their own personal interests are compromised and they’re sometimes left less happy than they started

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    A completely honest and consistent atheist is Albert Camus. “ The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself.” without God there is no meaning.

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Durkio Stan

    in the end... no matter how much good I do, there will be a point where it didn't matter... any suffering that exists would be ultimately purposeless and irredeemable.

    literally anything anybody works for will end someday and it won't ultimately amount to anything...whether we all give everything to the poor and work in slums or we extort money, ultimately it would come to nothing either way.

    Then join something where collective efforts will change conditions

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Durkio Stan

    religious people need that hope to get out of bed in the morning... imagine if everyone realized that life was meaningless and had no objective purpose..

    even if you're not religious you still have to live by faith, hope, etc. - even if you don't call it that

    everyone hopes they'll live another day, hopes their parents/kids won't get hit by a truck, etc.

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Struggled with this for a long while now. It is true ultimately. Nothing does really matter whatsoever.

    It is freeing. Shouldn't feel fear or anxiety or stress because of it. Should allow you to take life less seriously.

    Of course it is depressing. Certainly weighs on me in my toughest times and makes exiting permanently rather tempting.

    I think for me my thought process that has stemmed as a result is: all we are is the impact we leave on others. Can't take anything with us beyond that. And that impact will dissipate too, but while it exists it is tangible and meaningful in a way nothing else really is.

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Changeofheart

    A completely honest and consistent atheist is Albert Camus. “ The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself.” without God there is no meaning.

    And yeah read some Camus and absurdism.

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    americana

    Then join something where collective efforts will change conditions

    because the universe will have a cold slow death, alleviating by collective efforts is just temporary.

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    DwindlingSun

    And yeah read some Camus and absurdism.

    I have?

  • Oct 19, 2022
    Changeofheart

    I have?

    Not you lol, meant OP

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Durkio Stan

    because the universe will have a cold slow death, alleviating by collective efforts is just temporary.

    are you aware that positive acts can ripple across generations and large amounts of time?

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    lewinskysdress

    are you aware that positive acts can ripple across generations and large amounts of time?

    can you name any musicians from before the common era?

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    Durkio Stan

    can you name any musicians from before the common era?

    Who cares about the future when you can help the people you share experiences with ?

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    We are not the arbiters of our fate.

    We do not know all there is to know.

    Life is an overarching entity that in ways deviates from the deterministic nature of the "natural world".

    The degree to determinism is not a euclidean things, its not a hard line, it doesn't have edges, it's something we try to conceptualize but due to limited scope end up reducing to some form of self serving conjecture.

    Freedom isn't being free, freedom isn't escaping an undetermined fate. Freedoms and the degree to which we can impact the external whole (have any autonomy or impact) implicitly may be limited by temporal momentary bounds we are physically restricted too (a degree of determinism).

    If you are seeking infinity autonomy you will come up short, in this field freedom is in essence knowing what is enough.

    In terms of permanents and the desire for it, that is a condition of the ego and by extension a condition of life. There is no reason other than ones you derive "the point". Wanting a point is also a condition of the ego/life.

    It's innate, if you don't feel it to be innate, that is life's way of selectively removing you from the gene pool. Why live if you don't want to live? Why live in general, why do anything? Because life wills it. We are at it's whim.

  • Oct 19, 2022
    Durkio Stan

    in the end... no matter how much good I do, there will be a point where it didn't matter... any suffering that exists would be ultimately purposeless and irredeemable.

    literally anything anybody works for will end someday and it won't ultimately amount to anything...whether we all give everything to the poor and work in slums or we extort money, ultimately it would come to nothing either way.

    so?

  • Durkio Stan

    can you name any musicians from before the common era?

    aight you're just a negative kid

    time for another person on my block list

  • Oct 19, 2022
    Changeofheart

    A completely honest and consistent atheist is Albert Camus. “ The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself.” without God there is no meaning.

    A completely honest and consistent atheist is someone like ta nehisi coates..

  • Oct 19, 2022
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    fakerickhoodie

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    I agree with this post. It’s always the unemployed people who complain about life being pointless.

  • Oct 19, 2022

    read cioran and embrace the pointlessness of life

    "That history has no meaning is what should delight our hearts. Should we be tormenting ourselves for a happy solution to process, for a final festival paid for by nothing but our sweat, our disasters? For future idiots exulting over our labors, frolicking on our ashes? The vision of a paradisiac conclusion transcends, in its absurdity, the worst divagations of hope. All we can offer in excuse for time is that in it we find some moments more profitable than others, accidents without consequence in an intolerable monotony of perplexities. The universe begins and ends with each individual, whether he be Shakespeare or Hodge; for each individual experi­ences his merit or his nullity in the absolute..."

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    Oct 19, 2022
    D Dot

    I agree with this post. It’s always the unemployed people who complain about life being pointless.

    Work definitely isn't the answer either

  • @op have you considered that by the time your life's work has been undone, you'll be too dead to be salty about the difference?

    Depends on your view of the afterlife tho

  • Oct 19, 2022
    D Dot

    I agree with this post. It’s always the unemployed people who complain about life being pointless.

    rich people too.. people with jobs are too busy trying to make ends meet so they have no time to question their own existence..