From your perspective, why do you feel that the big 3 hasn't achieved this?
I'm not qualified to weigh in on this because I'm not black, but I'd be interested, if you're willing, to see why you feel this way.
It's complicated. All 3 rappers have plenty of Black fans.
But I think their styles sound wise and look wise aren't as easy to replicate or capture the essence of compared to Future, Thugger, and Keef.
Wayne, Keef, and Waka lowkey brought dreads back in style in the early 2010's. And Wayne's bars were very direct punchlines that you could get off the bat whereas Kendrick/Cole's lyrics are more abstract and Drake himself said that his way of delivering punchlines was inspired by Wayne.
And Future basically controls nightlife in many parts of urban America, in many cases more than Drake. 21 Savage even directly said this in his interview with Akademiks. And AK was shocked that people in Atlanta listened to Future more than Drake and kept doubting him.
People have to understand that many people in the streets listen to music passively. There's passionate music fans but, a lot of times, people just listen to whatever resonates the most. There's parts of the South where people feel Boosie and UGK are better than Jay-Z and the Wu Tang Clan and it's all because their music just resonates with the South more.
It's hard to explain like I said but it's not that serious cause they still have a major Black following.
From your perspective, why do you feel that the big 3 hasn't achieved this?
I'm not qualified to weigh in on this because I'm not black, but I'd be interested, if you're willing, to see why you feel this way.
Cause we largely haven’t aspired to sound or look like the big 3 since they’ve been the top dawgs. Drake obviously pushed melodic rapping and rappers doing their own crossover effort hooks farther than any other rapper in history, and that’s a huge impact on the creative approach to the game we still see today. But in terms of clear stylistic influence? The black male youth that represents the culture fr don’t look to the big 3 like that
But we all listen to them and love them anyway so it’s all good
Edit: read your question wrong, so the reason why they don’t is simply cause their branding and production are too adult and understated to have such appeal (Drake is more fun presenting and youthful than the other two in this regard but still not to the point he’d really have this appeal either). We’re gonna be inspired by more colorful and expressive sounding and looking s***. Bigger personalities, rebellious energy, youthful abandon, exciting fashion, bouncy production - the antithesis of the big 3 as we’ve come to know them. Something interesting I’ve observed tho is that our sistas in music take more direct influence from Drake and Cole
probably 4 more and that's it
Damn you’re counting down the days huh? If his output from 2022-23 are anything to go by he has to have at least double that
Damn you’re counting down the days huh? If his output from 2022-23 are anything to go by he has to have at least double that
counting down the days for what? and I think he'll slow it down a lot now so that his albums become events again. just a guess man idk
Pretty sure his next album will be similar to views and hopefully starts teasing this summer. Having another one dance and controlla song on there. Album name who knows
he gonna drop atleast 20 albums this decade
the promotion for every album is gonna be "the old drake"
Idk but if he does continue dropping albums which he most likely will I hope he really steps away from trying to appeal to casuals because they don’t respect him or appreciate him. He’s basically a meme to most people and the industry pretty much uses him for clout and clickbait
He needs to focus on feeding those who actually appreciate his talent, his output in 2022 was a good example of that
Man can’t believe that HNM and HL will be 2 this year
he’s about the same age kanye was when yeezus dropped
he still has many more great years to offer
What do you think it will be called?
Speculate and place your bets
I’m not too sure myself but I see him hanging it up in maybe 2028 or 2029. I think he might have 12-13 more albums to go before he’s ready to retire from music
you think 13 albums in 5 years thats a little wild
he been washed for like nearly a decade quality wise
commercially, he's been washed since Honestly Nevermind. He still gets big songs but they coming and going most of the time.
I'm sure he will continue making dogshit albums with one song that goes top 10 for the next 10 years atleast
Views was the last good Drake album if we’re keeping it real.
counting down the days for what? and I think he'll slow it down a lot now so that his albums become events again. just a guess man idk
For… him making music. You seemed firm on the number 4 at first so I was just curious.
you think 13 albums in 5 years thats a little wild
Well he’s dropped 2 albums a year the past 2 years so that would be at least 10 in the next 5 years but that’s a very rigid estimate and if he were to stop making music it would probably be much less than that comes to think of it.
For… him making music. You seemed firm on the number 4 at first so I was just curious.
I said probably not firm on that number at all
It's complicated. All 3 rappers have plenty of Black fans.
But I think their styles sound wise and look wise aren't as easy to replicate or capture the essence of compared to Future, Thugger, and Keef.
Wayne, Keef, and Waka lowkey brought dreads back in style in the early 2010's. And Wayne's bars were very direct punchlines that you could get off the bat whereas Kendrick/Cole's lyrics are more abstract and Drake himself said that his way of delivering punchlines was inspired by Wayne.
And Future basically controls nightlife in many parts of urban America, in many cases more than Drake. 21 Savage even directly said this in his interview with Akademiks. And AK was shocked that people in Atlanta listened to Future more than Drake and kept doubting him.
People have to understand that many people in the streets listen to music passively. There's passionate music fans but, a lot of times, people just listen to whatever resonates the most. There's parts of the South where people feel Boosie and UGK are better than Jay-Z and the Wu Tang Clan and it's all because their music just resonates with the South more.
It's hard to explain like I said but it's not that serious cause they still have a major Black following.
I think in general people overestimate how invested the average person is in listening to music. It's an extremely casual and mostly social experience for a lot of people, and I guess if the market is showing that it's way easier for someone following Thug/Keef/Future's blueprint to find commercial success than a Kendrick or Cole, then that won't help either
I say he got another 15 years in him. Maybe another 10 to 15 projects in that time span.
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It's complicated. All 3 rappers have plenty of Black fans.
But I think their styles sound wise and look wise aren't as easy to replicate or capture the essence of compared to Future, Thugger, and Keef.
Wayne, Keef, and Waka lowkey brought dreads back in style in the early 2010's. And Wayne's bars were very direct punchlines that you could get off the bat whereas Kendrick/Cole's lyrics are more abstract and Drake himself said that his way of delivering punchlines was inspired by Wayne.
And Future basically controls nightlife in many parts of urban America, in many cases more than Drake. 21 Savage even directly said this in his interview with Akademiks. And AK was shocked that people in Atlanta listened to Future more than Drake and kept doubting him.
People have to understand that many people in the streets listen to music passively. There's passionate music fans but, a lot of times, people just listen to whatever resonates the most. There's parts of the South where people feel Boosie and UGK are better than Jay-Z and the Wu Tang Clan and it's all because their music just resonates with the South more.
It's hard to explain like I said but it's not that serious cause they still have a major Black following.
Great response
I’ll also add onto this that futures aesthetic has timed well with rise of the red pill movement and MGTOW, and hoodville culture