poopin beans

3y

okay my friend. surely you see the point of the video though right? that using race as the most important aspect of one's identity and positing that you can use it to determine intention and predict behavior is a basic facet of modern wokeness, yet it is also inherently and obviously racist itself.

so there is a clear contradiction.

CLB Fractions

3y

woke has also been associated with pc culture. So I can see why people are against it.

words can have multiple meanings. For example telling someone to "stay woke" vs a white girl sayin "its not very woke of you to say black its AfRiCaN AmEriCaN" white people take over words and diminish their meaning all the time

BnBallinToo

3y

You either do not think systemic racism exists, or you straight up downplaying it.

You also probably do not think race plays a major part in people's lives in the US.

How do you think Black people got their rights to vote? By sitting down and waiting for the white man to give it to them?

Lol

poopin beans

3y

u may disagree with what "social injustice" is or exactly how one ought to "be against" it

CGodJr

3y

End of the day, it doesn't matter. White people had the same exact logic during the Civil Rights movement "I'm not affected so I don't think it's socially unjust". That's not how it works

poopin beans

3y

it's like you are argueing with your own imagination. i have no idea where you are getting this from lol. i never said any of that

poopin beans

3y

calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society. people don't like to be told that their skin color determines their intentions. people don't like to be pre-judged according to their skin color

there is a path to equality in the states and elsewhere but you are misguided if you think fighting fire with fire is the solution

poopin beans

3y

calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society. people don't like to be told that their skin color determines their intentions. people don't like to be pre-judged according to their skin color

there is a path to equality in the states and elsewhere but you are misguided if you think fighting fire with fire is the solution

BnBallinToo

3y

To you race might not be "the most important aspect of one's identity", but to others it is, because that's how the system is either you like it or not.

To change that you got to raise awareness, you organize, and you protest and fight back until you force the "system" to change.

Aka, you become so called "woke".

That's what it means to be "woke". Not whatever bullshit that video tried to portray.

poopin beans

3y

so we all have to agree with what social injustice means? got it

poopin beans

3y

calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society. people don't like to be told that their skin color determines their intentions. people don't like to be pre-judged according to their skin color

there is a path to equality in the states and elsewhere but you are misguided if you think fighting fire with fire is the solution

poopin beans

3y

calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society. people don't like to be told that their skin color determines their intentions. people don't like to be pre-judged according to their skin color

there is a path to equality in the states and elsewhere but you are misguided if you think fighting fire with fire is the solution

mosh

3y

Gonna stop you right there. While you may want a colourblind world based on merit rather than race, the fact is we as people and our systems are always going to see people by their race.

You cannot reach equality without acknowledging race. That's a fact. Nearly every civil rights activist would say so, including Malcolm X whom you quoted in this thread.

CGodJr

3y

Are you dense? It doesn't matter. If you're not affected by it, you may not even see what's happening. White people didn't even believe black people had different experiences with the cops because they never had that experience. I don't understand the gay experience and a lot of the things complained about, I have never seen but end of the day, what I think really doesn't matter and I'm not gonna sit here bashing someone that wants better treatment for their respective group. You're trippin. I know a racist when I see one.

BnBallinToo

3y

"Just accept how things are the way they are now, so we can be friends because it bothers me when we talk about them, and hopefully eventually things will get better."

Lol

CGodJr

3y

Just say you're racist and call it a day, you're making 0 sense lmaooooo

poopin beans

3y

isnt' it interesting how in order to confront my arguments, you must first reproduce them as something they are not.

did i ever say that race should not be acknknolwedged?

no

poopin beans

3y

"the system" still tends to reward intergenerational economic privilege above all else. which is why you see poor white people who are unable to break the cycle of poverty and rich black families who are able to provide their offspring with a plethora of advantages that is equivalent to that any white family could provide.

obviously there are race issues in the states, no one denies that, but i would argue they are a red herring for intergenerational economic advantage

mosh

3y

"calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society"

This is literally what you said, that we shouldn't call out racism unless it's there, but who are you to decide that?

Unless you're implying that you can acknowledge race and fix racism without calling out racism which makes zero sense lmao

BnBallinToo

3y

"A close examination of wealth in the U.S. finds evidence of staggering racial disparities. At $171,000, the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family ($17,150) in 2016"

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/

Aha jeez, I wonder why....must be because white people work harder and smarter, right? No other reason.

poopin beans

3y

calling out racism when it isn't there may actually be alienating people, producing more division and making it harder to ultimately have an equal society. people don't like to be told that their skin color determines their intentions. people don't like to be pre-judged according to their skin color

there is a path to equality in the states and elsewhere but you are misguided if you think fighting fire with fire is the solution

poopin beans

3y

correlation implies causation i forgot that basic statistical fact darn