”There isn’t anything more conservative than the idea of coming from nothing and accumulating your own wealth without anyone’s help. ”

TLOP as a whole, but I’m not sure if there’s anything on that album that’s as good as Sicko Mode, maybe Famous?

It’s facts. That is literally what the conservative dream is. Somebody who can come from nothing and work super hard and become self made and rich. It almost never works but that is literally their fantasy of how the system is meant to work

I'm going to need you to whine elsewhere because my mind is made up and you're truly not going to change it. I don't generally listen to super materialistic or "I grind hard" hip hop and I don't feel bad about it. As such, "Old Kanye" has grown off of me, and that's my personal take. You literally cannot change how I emotionally respond to music so it's best to stop wasting your time trying to do so or trying to berate me for having an opinion because I truly don't care and will never change my mind.

2004-2007: too soft

Thread took a weird turn…

Let's not derail this thread. I said what I said and y'all turned it into something more than just appreciating production. Stop talking to me about my opinions and just focus on what OP had to say, thanks.

Both aging like milk. Two of the more overrated albums around here cause 70% of site was in high school/college when they dropped.

“I don’t listen to super materialistic or “I grind hard” hip hop”

Your top artists are Travis Scott, Dre, UGK, Three 6

Lmfao

"Let's not derail this thread. I said what I said and y'all turned it into something more than just appreciating production. Stop talking to me about my opinions and just focus on what OP had to say, thanks."

If all you get out of UGK and old Three 6 is "materialism" you're an imbecile btw

• "One Day"
• "Stoned Junkee"
• "Diamonds and Wood"
• "Anyone Out There"
• "Tear da Club Up"
• "Playa Hataz"

Commonly known songs that are solely about money or buying stuff.

Nothing about what he apparently said in the 2000s was nazi material let’s be real

I'm truly no longer discussing this topic ITT. Please focus on what OP said my dude, thank you. I have my tastes and opinions and I'm not changing them. I didn't ask for a debate and don't care to have one. Peace.

Y’all gotta stop comparing Kanye West’s music to anyone that came out after 2009. With the exception of JIK and parts of Ye, nobody is touching his work.

TLOP for me, some great prod on Astro though

Travis avi

it is pretty exhausting for these dudes to hear any music that is remotely experimental/unconventional or dissonant and then immediately leap to Yeezus comparisons

Both are produced very well, I think I just prefer the ambition and diversity on TLOP by comparison. Astro's sound is a little homogenous and some of the beats are notably weaker than others. Super fun summertime album though

But Kanye invented industrial hip hop bro and other than Nine Inch Nails and these underground guys called Ministry nobody was even making industrial music before Kanye

Old kanye has a way greater ratio of meaningful songs compared to Three 6 and Travis lol idk how you're dying on this hill

Feel free to unfollow or block me at any time man. It's very easy to do and you will no longer have to see my bad posts once you do it :)

I don't care about "meaningfulness" in music, and "meaning" within music is wholly subjective

But I do enjoy TLOP's production more than Astroworld and enjoy the album quite a lot. Astroworld is great too

I’m glad someone else caught that dumbass s***

There's no point in talking about this and I truly don't understand how people managed to bait this topic out of me ITT when I was completely avoiding it but I'm probably going to just delete the responses at this point.

I don’t have anything against your preferences I just think that guy’s response was funny