Andre made those Kast albums.... André could've never met Big boi and it would be the same result. C3 aint even better than Stankonia.... Wayne doesnt body anyone like Andre can....
Wayne literally gets out rapped whenever someone equal to him gets on a song....
HOV isn't even close to Andre... as a rapper... just my opinion though.....
Kanye literally outrapped him like 4 times during that 4 year peak...
Barry Bonds, Maybach Music 2, Swagga Like Us, Can't tell me nothing (remix), Lollipop (Remix) Debatable
Wayne a lot better when he's got just a producer and a lot of role playing rappers allowing him to snap
Love Wayne.... not hating on the guy.... easily top 10... but there's levels to this
André got 2 of the best rap albums ever and can rap circles around a prime Wayne
I’ve had this argument years ago about prime Wayne vs 3K. The thing is Wayne could rap and keep up with all the technical s*** 3K does easily lol. Wayne in his prime was rarely really rapping fast or doing technical s*** like that but he’s always had that talent because we’ve heard it in glimpses of his mixtapes. Now that’s all he does but it really doesn’t matter now. And Kanye never has outrapped Wayne. Wayne has the best verse on swagga like us and it isn’t even a debate. Kanye himself has said countless times that Wayne is not Finna kill him on a song how he does these others rappers and has admitted Wayne is a better rapper than him. I’m not even diving into the Em 09 ish s*** because I don’t really give anyone the verse on that song tbh. It was just a all around cool song for both of them. 2009 tho Wayne deadass was still the best rapper alive and was still better than Em judging off No Ceilings and he he still had a crazy feature run that year to all while creating Young Money.
Only rappers I see that has rapped better than Wayne are
Biggie
HOV
Nas (very debatable)
And the only person who’s close to him now is the nigga he brung into this game and that’s Drizzy
I’ve had this argument years ago about prime Wayne vs 3K. The thing is Wayne could rap and keep up with all the technical s*** 3K does easily lol. Wayne in his prime was rarely really rapping fast or doing technical s*** like that but he’s always had that talent because we’ve heard it in glimpses of his mixtapes. Now that’s all he does but it really doesn’t matter now. And Kanye never has outrapped Wayne. Wayne has the best verse on swagga like us and it isn’t even a debate. Kanye himself has said countless times that Wayne is not Finna kill him on a song how he does these others rappers and has admitted Wayne is a better rapper than him. I’m not even diving into the Em 09 ish s*** because I don’t really give anyone the verse on that song tbh. It was just a all around cool song for both of them. 2009 tho Wayne deadass was still the best rapper alive and was still better than Em judging off No Ceilings and he he still had a crazy feature run that year to all while creating Young Money.
Only rappers I see that has rapped better than Wayne are
Biggie
HOV
Nas (very debatable)
And the only person who’s close to him now is the nigga he brung into this game and that’s Drizzy
Dude why you keep naming two of the most overrated "rappers" ever.... Biggie has one of cleanest flows same with HOV but theyre more album artists..... pac was even a better writer than both of them
Matter of opinion I guess, but Big never did anything where I personally was like "I've never heard something like that" with his verses/lyrics.... besides like The What with Meth... meanwhile kendrick, andré, em, & even wayne creatively have done some f*** s*** on songs.... Big was really cold with how he made songs.. but i don’t know
I’ve had this argument years ago about prime Wayne vs 3K. The thing is Wayne could rap and keep up with all the technical s*** 3K does easily lol. Wayne in his prime was rarely really rapping fast or doing technical s*** like that but he’s always had that talent because we’ve heard it in glimpses of his mixtapes. Now that’s all he does but it really doesn’t matter now. And Kanye never has outrapped Wayne. Wayne has the best verse on swagga like us and it isn’t even a debate. Kanye himself has said countless times that Wayne is not Finna kill him on a song how he does these others rappers and has admitted Wayne is a better rapper than him. I’m not even diving into the Em 09 ish s*** because I don’t really give anyone the verse on that song tbh. It was just a all around cool song for both of them. 2009 tho Wayne deadass was still the best rapper alive and was still better than Em judging off No Ceilings and he he still had a crazy feature run that year to all while creating Young Money.
Only rappers I see that has rapped better than Wayne are
Biggie
HOV
Nas (very debatable)
And the only person who’s close to him now is the nigga he brung into this game and that’s Drizzy
also you should make a poll for those songs.... Wayne vs. ye collabs and even Wayne vs. T.I. & Hov... curious to see how that would go
Kendrick wouldnt make any sane top 10 list. Andre...no
Goodness gracious...the standards ya'll hold Kendrick too is insane. Kendrick ain't in my top 5 personally but he's def qualifies as a top 10 rapper.
Lyricism? Check. Flow? Check. Longevity? Check. Sales? Check. Discography? Triple check.
If Kendrick drops another quality album, you can't even deny he's top 10 or even top 5 anymore regardless if he's your fave or not.
And Kendrick uses no writers and won tons of Grammy's. C'mon fam.
Goodness gracious...the standards ya'll hold Kendrick too is insane. Kendrick ain't in my top 5 personally but he's def qualifies as a top 10 rapper.
Lyricism? Check. Flow? Check. Longevity? Check. Sales? Check. Discography? Triple check.
If Kendrick drops another quality album, you can't even deny he's top 10 or even top 5 anymore regardless if he's your fave or not.
And Kendrick uses no writers and won tons of Grammy's. C'mon fam.
no
Peak Wayne without a doubt.
Nobody's touching that.
Dude why you keep naming two of the most overrated "rappers" ever.... Biggie has one of cleanest flows same with HOV but theyre more album artists..... pac was even a better writer than both of them
Matter of opinion I guess, but Big never did anything where I personally was like "I've never heard something like that" with his verses/lyrics.... besides like The What with Meth... meanwhile kendrick, andré, em, & even wayne creatively have done some f*** s*** on songs.... Big was really cold with how he made songs.. but i don’t know
I’m not even trying to play it safe and choose those artist because that’s what alotta niggas do but that’s like peak lyricism. Like sounding the best delivery wise while having a clean ass flow and saying some s***. The best rapper right now (Drake) even mimicks how HOV raps on all his 4min pure rapping tracks. And I agree on the Pac statement. Pac had better mic presence than them too.
I named them 2 because there legit is no other rapper that’s technical and crazy on the mic who has Wayne beat. There just isn’t. I know damn well prime 3K is not better than Wayne. Wayne has to many styles and flows he can’t tap into. He could do the spazz lyrical technical s*** that 3K is known for just as good as him if you put him in that mode.
But I might consider doing that poll you mentioned
I’m not even trying to play it safe and choose those artist because that’s what alotta niggas do but that’s like peak lyricism. Like sounding the best delivery wise while having a clean ass flow and saying some s***. The best rapper right now (Drake) even mimicks how HOV raps on all his 4min pure rapping tracks. And I agree on the Pac statement. Pac had better mic presence than them too.
I named them 2 because there legit is no other rapper that’s technical and crazy on the mic who has Wayne beat. There just isn’t. I know damn well prime 3K is not better than Wayne. Wayne has to many styles and flows he can’t tap into. He could do the spazz lyrical technical s*** that 3K is known for just as good as him if you put him in that mode.
But I might consider doing that poll you mentioned
All good bro lol difference of opinion at the end of the day & yeah you should could be fun...
You saying that cause kendrick hasn't dropped since 2017 or you think drake is better than k dot now?
I think drake def found his pocket after IYRTITL as a "rapper" even though his music isn't as good
Probably one of the worst mainstream rappers Nothing was the Same and previous
and yeah you could do that poll with a list and songs could be interesting...
All good bro lol difference of opinion at the end of the day & yeah you should could be fun...
You saying that cause kendrick hasn't dropped since 2017 or you think drake is better than k dot now?
I think drake def found his pocket after IYRTITL as a "rapper" even though his music isn't as good
Probably one of the worst mainstream rappers Nothing was the Same and previous
and yeah you could do that poll with a list and songs could be interesting...
Ehhh. I mean I’ve seen this thread so many times with Drake vs Kdot
I’ve always took the route of just saying
Drake is the better rap artist
Kendrick is the better rap lyricist
But just comparing them 2 over all their work from 2011 to present I had to give it to drake. Drakes pocket when he rap raps is dam near unbeatable. It’s a cheat code. I haven’t seen any rapper in the 2010s really rap at that peak. Kdot is obviously right there but I’m feeling confident that if you put them 2 in a room I know drake gon get the better verse. Drakes original flow where he taps into just a 5 minute venting nigga vs Kdots weird lyrically insane ability... I’m leaning more towards drake. Both very impressive to have seen and witnessed in the moment
Andre quit..... you smoking dic if you think big boi had any artistic influence besides those basic ass trap-southern songs on Aquemini/ATL/Stank.... andre even dipped off those joints at the time cause he did it already... andre got bored and was into other things when he was making the love below.... Andre quit. Listen to the songs big makes alone or the tracks he has alone on stank or aquemini..... that's all André vision. aquemini could come out without any big verses and it'd still be a 10.... and better than every wayne album
rapping isn't about the albums though so....
Fair point on the Kanye writers thing.... if that's proven on those songs specifically.... wayne got out-rapped in early 2009 (his prime) by a washed recovery-ish era Em too.....
and nobody would argue anyone else on that song cause they weren't in their primes.... or aren't considered
Wayne is you untouchable over just a beat where he has room to black out....
put him on any song with andre in any era 2003- Idlewild and he'd get laid out
André the best to ever do it lyrically.... just so happens to make classics too
People still starving for a proper andre solo album and he hasn't put anything out properly since 2003
dude, Wayne outrapped both Jay and Em on his Renegade remix in 2002(which was far from Wayne's prime years).
I’ve had this argument years ago about prime Wayne vs 3K. The thing is Wayne could rap and keep up with all the technical s*** 3K does easily lol. Wayne in his prime was rarely really rapping fast or doing technical s*** like that but he’s always had that talent because we’ve heard it in glimpses of his mixtapes. Now that’s all he does but it really doesn’t matter now. And Kanye never has outrapped Wayne. Wayne has the best verse on swagga like us and it isn’t even a debate. Kanye himself has said countless times that Wayne is not Finna kill him on a song how he does these others rappers and has admitted Wayne is a better rapper than him. I’m not even diving into the Em 09 ish s*** because I don’t really give anyone the verse on that song tbh. It was just a all around cool song for both of them. 2009 tho Wayne deadass was still the best rapper alive and was still better than Em judging off No Ceilings and he he still had a crazy feature run that year to all while creating Young Money.
Only rappers I see that has rapped better than Wayne are
Biggie
HOV
Nas (very debatable)
And the only person who’s close to him now is the nigga he brung into this game and that’s Drizzy
Wayne have outrapped Hov on Mr. Carter and Swagga Like Us + he kills every Jay beat on his mixtapes.