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  • Jun 7, 2021
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    SpiderMan

    Thanks for the term, was slipping through my mind.

    a whole other can of worms, not really a good thing.

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    Frog

    i cant really see modern medicine being learned all that well without the benefits of a university and affiliated teaching hospitals

    some examples: some types of broken bones, stitches, cuts, minor diagnostics, xrays etc

    you can self teach or be taught these things without university/degree.

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    Frog

    a whole other can of worms, not really a good thing.

    why not

  • Jun 7, 2021
    Frog

    a whole other can of worms, not really a good thing.

    Yea I would agree. You never know when things get worse and you need advanced care but I have seen such solution succeed here specially in rural India where infrastructure for proper hospital is not there. It's not a proper solution but a great stopgap considering the conditions.

  • Jun 7, 2021
    valenciaga

    why not

    read up on the debate on nurse practitioners

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    CLB Fractions

    some examples: some types of broken bones, stitches, cuts, minor diagnostics, xrays etc

    you can self teach or be taught these things without university/degree.

    what, half trained doctors? to make more of a mess?

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    Frog

    what, half trained doctors? to make more of a mess?

    free enterprise 🤷‍♂️

  • valenciaga

    The more you look into it and actually do the research the more it makes sense though

    I was pretty skeptical initially but this thread plus some other little tidbits and tidbites i saw online made me consider it more

    To you maybe but it doesn’t to me. Imagine if the hospitals were abolished during the peak of covid.

  • Jun 7, 2021
    CLB Fractions

    free enterprise 🤷‍♂️

    lmao

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    CLB Fractions

    wouldnt ai make life easier? how could it make life harder

    yea i wrote "for the better" sorry if that was unclear

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    deadacc

    yea i wrote "for the better" sorry if that was unclear

    i was referring to when u said

    "but only if the fruits of their production are controlled by the people, and not by capitalist "elites" who will use their so-called ownership to siphon time, energy and life from the people in exchange for their necessities of life"

    i dont see how it would be worse tho.

    technology constantly makes life better.

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    CLB Fractions

    i was referring to when u said

    "but only if the fruits of their production are controlled by the people, and not by capitalist "elites" who will use their so-called ownership to siphon time, energy and life from the people in exchange for their necessities of life"

    i dont see how it would be worse tho.

    technology constantly makes life better.

    i mean it would kinda be like food insecurity.

    we have 9 million people who die of hunger every year and 5.3 million of them are children, despite the fact that advances in food production are already easily oversupplying the amount of food that we could possibly need. 1/3 of potential food goes to waste equating to 1.3 billion tons a year. 1/4 of the food waste of the EU and the US could could feed the entire world's hungry.

    Due to the commodity nature of food, we continue to search for ever more "efficient" and harmful methods of producing food in the search of profit, wrecking the world and its ecosystems in the process. At the current rate of production, the world will run out of seafood - the number 1 source of protein globally - by 2048.

    Forcing people to continue to produce value in order to sustain the necessities of life in a post scarcity society is already the reality of the world we live in today. Capitalists - in their ever constant pursuit of accumulating more capital by abusing the capital that they control - would clearly continue to operate under the same premises as they always have.

  • Jun 7, 2021
    valenciaga

    I see where they’re coming from tbh

    By abolishing hospitals we cut out the middle man between us and good health

    the people can become the new distributors of treatment and health

    I mean, the reason why your sistem is f***ed is because it's already privatised, so this wouldn't change much.

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    i mean it would kinda be like food insecurity.

    we have 9 million people who die of hunger every year and 5.3 million of them are children, despite the fact that advances in food production are already easily oversupplying the amount of food that we could possibly need. 1/3 of potential food goes to waste equating to 1.3 billion tons a year. 1/4 of the food waste of the EU and the US could could feed the entire world's hungry.

    Due to the commodity nature of food, we continue to search for ever more "efficient" and harmful methods of producing food in the search of profit, wrecking the world and its ecosystems in the process. At the current rate of production, the world will run out of seafood - the number 1 source of protein globally - by 2048.

    Forcing people to continue to produce value in order to sustain the necessities of life in a post scarcity society is already the reality of the world we live in today. Capitalists - in their ever constant pursuit of accumulating more capital by abusing the capital that they control - would clearly continue to operate under the same premises as they always have.

    do you actually believe that 9 million people and 5 million children die every year of hunger in the USA?

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    i mean it would kinda be like food insecurity.

    we have 9 million people who die of hunger every year and 5.3 million of them are children, despite the fact that advances in food production are already easily oversupplying the amount of food that we could possibly need. 1/3 of potential food goes to waste equating to 1.3 billion tons a year. 1/4 of the food waste of the EU and the US could could feed the entire world's hungry.

    Due to the commodity nature of food, we continue to search for ever more "efficient" and harmful methods of producing food in the search of profit, wrecking the world and its ecosystems in the process. At the current rate of production, the world will run out of seafood - the number 1 source of protein globally - by 2048.

    Forcing people to continue to produce value in order to sustain the necessities of life in a post scarcity society is already the reality of the world we live in today. Capitalists - in their ever constant pursuit of accumulating more capital by abusing the capital that they control - would clearly continue to operate under the same premises as they always have.

    also you sadly don't know how economics and/or innovation works lol

  • Jun 7, 2021

    Literally no one thinks this besides blue hair Twitter

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    do you actually believe that 9 million people and 5 million children die every year of hunger in the USA?

    mb i was editing what i wrote and forgot that was in there

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    also you sadly don't know how economics and/or innovation works lol

    explain how economics and/or innovation works

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    deadacc

    explain how economics and/or innovation works

    PROFIT MOTIVE

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    Frog

    PROFIT MOTIVE

    yea i was trying to have him explain it so we could get to the discussion of flawed premise

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    deadacc

    yea i was trying to have him explain it so we could get to the discussion of flawed premise

    Lol I'm not here to argue with your sophomoric understanding of Kapital, comrade

    You're posting in a troll thread that wants to abolish modern medicine

  • Jun 7, 2021
    SpiderMan

    For minor surgeries like gallstone or kidney stone removal, you can get them done by doctors who aren't very qualified and have simply done the basic degree as the procedures for such minor surgeries are set in stone. But even for these, you would require a small establishment, not as big as a hospital. I am not against that, that would actually cost less for people but for critical cases you would always require qualified doctors who have specializations or super-specializations. My aunt had high blood pressure issues ,liver issues and diabetes, if she wasn't being treated by proper and well-qualified doctors (multiple too as she had multiple issues related to different organs) in a proper hospital she would have succumbed to CoVID. Situations become tricky when you a person has multiple comorbidities and only well qualified doctors could treat such a case.
    I know the current system is not great, a lot of money is involved but I just find the solution provided by OP to be impractical.

    This is a dope post. Thank you

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    Lol I'm not here to argue with your sophomoric understanding of Kapital, comrade

    You're posting in a troll thread that wants to abolish modern medicine

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    deadacc

    DUDE CAPITALISM WASTES SO MUCH FOOD AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

    DUDE CAPITALISTS ARE OPTIMIZING TOWARD EFFICIENCY AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

    DUDE WE LIVE IN A POST SCARCE WORLD BUT THE FISH ARE RUNNING OUT

    lol

  • Jun 7, 2021
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    DUDE CAPITALISM WASTES SO MUCH FOOD AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

    DUDE CAPITALISTS ARE OPTIMIZING TOWARD EFFICIENCY AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

    DUDE WE LIVE IN A POST SCARCE WORLD BUT THE FISH ARE RUNNING OUT

    lol

    Capitalism is so efficient that milk farmers had to pour out milk rather than sell it

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