SpiderMan

4y

Thanks for the term, was slipping through my mind.

Frog

4y

i cant really see modern medicine being learned all that well without the benefits of a university and affiliated teaching hospitals

Frog

4y

a whole other can of worms, not really a good thing.

Frog

4y

a whole other can of worms, not really a good thing.

valenciaga

4y

why not

CLB Fractions

4y

some examples: some types of broken bones, stitches, cuts, minor diagnostics, xrays etc

you can self teach or be taught these things without university/degree.

Frog

4y

what, half trained doctors? to make more of a mess?

valenciaga

4y

The more you look into it and actually do the research the more it makes sense though

I was pretty skeptical initially but this thread plus some other little tidbits and tidbites i saw online made me consider it more

CLB Fractions

4y

free enterprise 🤷‍♂️

CLB Fractions

4y

wouldnt ai make life easier? how could it make life harder

deadacc

4y

yea i wrote "for the better" sorry if that was unclear

CLB Fractions

4y

i was referring to when u said

"but only if the fruits of their production are controlled by the people, and not by capitalist "elites" who will use their so-called ownership to siphon time, energy and life from the people in exchange for their necessities of life"

i dont see how it would be worse tho.

technology constantly makes life better.

valenciaga

4y

I see where they’re coming from tbh

By abolishing hospitals we cut out the middle man between us and good health

the people can become the new distributors of treatment and health

deadacc

4y

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i mean it would kinda be like food insecurity.

we have 9 million people who die of hunger every year and 5.3 million of them are children, despite the fact that advances in food production are already easily oversupplying the amount of food that we could possibly need. 1/3 of potential food goes to waste equating to 1.3 billion tons a year. 1/4 of the food waste of the EU and the US could could feed the entire world's hungry.

Due to the commodity nature of food, we continue to search for ever more "efficient" and harmful methods of producing food in the search of profit, wrecking the world and its ecosystems in the process. At the current rate of production, the world will run out of seafood - the number 1 source of protein globally - by 2048.

Forcing people to continue to produce value in order to sustain the necessities of life in a post scarcity society is already the reality of the world we live in today. Capitalists - in their ever constant pursuit of accumulating more capital by abusing the capital that they control - would clearly continue to operate under the same premises as they always have.

deadacc

4y

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i mean it would kinda be like food insecurity.

we have 9 million people who die of hunger every year and 5.3 million of them are children, despite the fact that advances in food production are already easily oversupplying the amount of food that we could possibly need. 1/3 of potential food goes to waste equating to 1.3 billion tons a year. 1/4 of the food waste of the EU and the US could could feed the entire world's hungry.

Due to the commodity nature of food, we continue to search for ever more "efficient" and harmful methods of producing food in the search of profit, wrecking the world and its ecosystems in the process. At the current rate of production, the world will run out of seafood - the number 1 source of protein globally - by 2048.

Forcing people to continue to produce value in order to sustain the necessities of life in a post scarcity society is already the reality of the world we live in today. Capitalists - in their ever constant pursuit of accumulating more capital by abusing the capital that they control - would clearly continue to operate under the same premises as they always have.

0

4y

do you actually believe that 9 million people and 5 million children die every year of hunger in the USA?

0

4y

also you sadly don't know how economics and/or innovation works lol

deadacc

4y

explain how economics and/or innovation works

Frog

4y

PROFIT MOTIVE

deadacc

4y

yea i was trying to have him explain it so we could get to the discussion of flawed premise

SpiderMan

4y

For minor surgeries like gallstone or kidney stone removal, you can get them done by doctors who aren't very qualified and have simply done the basic degree as the procedures for such minor surgeries are set in stone. But even for these, you would require a small establishment, not as big as a hospital. I am not against that, that would actually cost less for people but for critical cases you would always require qualified doctors who have specializations or super-specializations. My aunt had high blood pressure issues ,liver issues and diabetes, if she wasn't being treated by proper and well-qualified doctors (multiple too as she had multiple issues related to different organs) in a proper hospital she would have succumbed to CoVID. Situations become tricky when you a person has multiple comorbidities and only well qualified doctors could treat such a case.
I know the current system is not great, a lot of money is involved but I just find the solution provided by OP to be impractical.

0

4y

Lol I'm not here to argue with your sophomoric understanding of Kapital, comrade

You're posting in a troll thread that wants to abolish modern medicine

0

4y

DUDE CAPITALISM WASTES SO MUCH FOOD AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

DUDE CAPITALISTS ARE OPTIMIZING TOWARD EFFICIENCY AND IT HURTS MY FEELINGS

DUDE WE LIVE IN A POST SCARCE WORLD BUT THE FISH ARE RUNNING OUT

lol