How is it unfair if you agree to work for a certain wage lol

u literally just dont understand what we mean by exploitation lol

you're using the everyday use of the term and that's not what it means

It comes from the fact that if you don’t work, you cant provide a living for yourself and you die. Your options are to take the work available or starve and companies know this

There’s going to always be another company willing to pay you more to do less work lol

what’s the point in having a discussion about this if you don’t even understand the basic terminology

King

No, i understand what you’re trying to say but it’s still ridiculous

The salary I make would probably take me 200+ hours a week to generate on my own, but because the business I’m employed by already provides me with resources, I can do it in 40 hours

so obvious ur whole conception of work comes from libertarian subreddits lmao this is absolutely not the case wtf?

No - it comes from real life experience lol

Wage labor is always exploitation no matter how nice ur boss is

Otherwise no profits would be possible if the worker received the full value of his labor

Company wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for profit motive.

I wouldn’t work if it weren’t for $$$ motive. It’s literally the same thing. Stupid argument.

wait so you're saying that the capitalist mixes these "resources".. maybe like the "means of production" with labor to make a profit how interesting i wonder if some german fella wrote a book about this whole thing

Economy of scale exists, yeah we know

It's easier to do stuff cooperatively, yeah we know

There’s no point in arguing with these 2 clowns lol wait until synopsis gets back ITT and it’s going to be absolutely unbearable

bro just go work for a boss who will pay u more for less.. poverty destroyed

Of course a capitalist company would not exist without the profit motive, this is the DNA of capitalism.

Supply and demand exist but not in the labor market - Bill Ackman

Bill Ackman will not win this argument unless he's willing to reject the moral underpinnings of his interlocutors' ideology

Demand greatly outweighs supply right now hence my point

Depends entirely on the industry, geography etc

Even if so, the wage workers do not own any significant capital (otherwise they wouldnt be workers) and dont have the same leverage in negotiations hence always getting the shorter end of the stick

Unless they can collecitvely organize...sound familar?

and it will outweigh supply FOREVER - bill cackman

Yes and I would rather work for the company motivated by profits than a group of idiots like yourself more focused on making sure everybody makes the same amount of $

Absolutely not true but whatever there’s no sense in arguing with someone like you

You fundamentally dont understand what socialism means if this is your point

No socialist has ever denied that capitalism.is driven by the profit motive

Actually it is coping capitalists talking about muh stakeholder economy who deny this more and more