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  • Nov 18, 2021
    Scratchin Mamba

    Exploitation is when u do something in the economy i dont like

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Chloe

    i feel like you’re missing the point of what i said but cool

    How is it profiting off their own labor if 99% of their profit comes from corporations existing which apparently are “exploitative”

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    Bill Ackman

    How is it profiting off their own labor if 99% of their profit comes from corporations existing which apparently are “exploitative”

    i said generally that is the concept as to why
    i didn’t say that’s what actually plays out in practice

    again, i feel like you don’t understand the core concept

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    You do realize that wealthy entertainers generate a majority off their wealth via corporations to some extent, whether it’s endorsements, partnerships, distribution, etc…… right?

    the wealthiest who have crayz branding like MJ or Bron yea for sure but the avg nba player for example absolutely not unless, at least not during their career

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Exploiting workers is when you agree to work for a certain wage and can leave whenever you please

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    You do realize that wealthy entertainers generate a majority off their wealth via corporations to some extent, whether it’s endorsements, partnerships, distribution, etc…… right?

    Getting a company to pay you 10m is a little different than exploiting 10k people with low wages who work in your factory

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Scratchin Mamba

    the wealthiest who have crayz branding like MJ or Bron yea for sure but the avg nba player for example absolutely not unless, at least not during their career

    Where do you think NBA teams get the capability to pay some scrub on the bench $12 million a year genius?

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    quadra

    Getting a company to pay you 10m is a little different than exploiting 10k people with low wages who work in your factory

    Where does the company get the $10m

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    Where does the company get the $10m

    Lord knows but that's not on the person on the receiving end is it

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    Exploiting workers is when you agree to work for a certain wage and can leave whenever you please

    then why are you talking about exploitation at all, bc all economic transactions have at least this minimal amount of room for choice

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Scratchin Mamba

    then why are you talking about exploitation at all, bc all economic transactions have at least this minimal amount of room for choice

    I was being sarcastic saying this whole argument y’all have is f***ing stupid

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    Where do you think NBA teams get the capability to pay some scrub on the bench $12 million a year genius?

    all companies get the capability to pay any employees through exploitation lmao that's literally just how companies work

  • Nov 18, 2021

    Reading this thread actually baffles me

  • Nov 18, 2021
    quadra

    Lord knows but that's not on the person on the receiving end is it

    Uhh yes it is lol - it’s all apart of the same system so why are we picking and choosing who is good and who is bad based on who interests us more? Seems like an awful way to make your point

  • Nov 18, 2021
    Bill Ackman

    I was being sarcastic saying this whole argument y’all have is f***ing stupid

    before u call an argument stupid u should at least understand it, which u dont

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Scratchin Mamba

    all companies get the capability to pay any employees through exploitation lmao that's literally just how companies work

    So what was your point…… all NBA players salaries are paid by partnerships and TV deals with the teams which then go to the players. It is no different than a player directly partnering with the source of cash at all

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    Bill Ackman

    So what was your point…… all NBA players salaries are paid by partnerships and TV deals with the teams which then go to the players. It is no different than a player directly partnering with the source of cash at all

    no its not because literallly every worker's salary comes from the surplus value which capitalists obtained thru exploitation

  • Nov 18, 2021
    Bill Ackman

    multitalented king

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    Scratchin Mamba

    no its not because literallly every worker's salary comes from the surplus value which capitalists obtained thru exploitation

    How can you exploit somebody who has no obligation to you

  • Nov 18, 2021
    Bill Ackman

    How can you exploit somebody who has no obligation to you

    exploitation =/= coercion

  • Nov 18, 2021
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    the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.

    then leave?

  • Nov 18, 2021

    exploitation in the marxist sense is not a moral claim, it's purely economic

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    Bill Ackman

    the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.

    then leave?

    to get exploited by another capitalist?