but fanbases listen regardless of quality because they like the ambiance. The same way friends had a lot of seasons but isnt funny same with frasier
same with simpsons still
ridiculousness
cops
the list goes on
Lol I don’t disagree with you on a personal taste level, I just personally would feel arrogant saying “this show objectively isn’t funny” and effectively meaning that anyone who likes that likes unfunny shows. I don’t hold my opinion to be that high.
But you don’t think a visual element can be a part of the music? I think pop music especially relies on the music being paired with a visual aesthetic and I don’t think that’s bad. I just thinks that’s a part of the genre.
true and, well, is that not part of the quality of the art then?
if people are buying things based off of their enjoyment of that non-audio aesthetic factor, then there is a link between "sales" and "quality (subjectively determined)"
See this is what I believe. I don’t like Taylor Swift at all, but I think I’d look crazy to suggest that in her lane, she’s not one of the best at what she does even if it’s not meant for me
I 100% agree w/ you.
We should be saying Not meant for me doesn't equal bad.
It's not good music unless it's super popular and can function as inoffensive background music at the mall
Lol I don’t disagree with you on a personal taste level, I just personally would feel arrogant saying “this show objectively isn’t funny” and effectively meaning that anyone who likes that likes unfunny shows. I don’t hold my opinion to be that high.
its not objectively true. I am saying same reason office seinfeld successful we like the world they already built
its much easier to listen to a drake or kanye 8th or 9th album than some new rappers first and try to get to know them
Is "Transformers" better than "The Godfather"?
I don’t personally like either, but seeing as 1 was made with kids in mind, I feel weird saying kids have bad taste because Godfather wouldn’t hold their interest lol. These two movies are made for entirely different audiences
Remember the free market is ALWAYS right. The quality product always wins out and becomes the most popular. God praise neoliberalism. God bless Reagan and Thatcher
because great marketing doesn't equal great quality of the product.. this is an issue across all businesses and products, not just music.
I think most people would agree that music is subjective, so why is there such push back on the idea that sales mean a large number of people enjoy someone’s work? I don’t think this means that if 1 artist sells more than another, it means their project is “better.” But that’s rarely the conversation. Typically people make the quality statement when they don’t personally enjoy someone’s work despite it being successful.
I think it’s more accurate to say low sales don’t equal low quality, because some things aren’t as available or made to be embraced by every possible audience.
Fam stop
Remember the free market is ALWAYS right. The quality product always wins out and becomes the most popular. God praise neoliberalism. God bless Reagan and Thatcher
walter mondale got 13 electoral votes but he is subjectively better, to me
electoral votes /=/ quality
its not objectively true. I am saying same reason office seinfeld successful we like the world they already built
its much easier to listen to a drake or kanye 8th or 9th album than some new rappers first and try to get to know them
Yea but reminder that I’m only arguing that high sales should have merit. Low sales should not equal low quality because there are a thousand reasons why something does sell well. I just think, for random example, that saying Kid Laori is objectively trash just because I don’t personally like him, is a fair when the world clearly enjoys his music. At that point, his music just isn’t for me and that’s okay but my opinion shouldn’t matter more than the millions that fux with him
Eminem sold s*** albums for a decade and was outselling Drake until streaming
Eminem has 3 albums better than Drake’s best
Other people liking something doesnt mean you cant think its bad lol
Lol I agree. I’m talking about when people think something is objectively bad despite being widely celebrated by others. Subjective opinion will always remain
Music all costs the same for someone to listen. How do you compare that to Burgers lol.
even if food was uniform in cost a lot of people would still buy mcdonalds because fast food is addictive and easily digestible
less would buy it for sure, which is part of why poverty causes obesity, but a whopper is still outselling your vegan kale salad
Because sales can just as likely be driven by temporary hype, image, marketing, and "hot for the moment" trends as the actual music.
Bodak Yellow and Old Town Road are Diamond based on the hype that Cardi/LNX had but how many people are looking back at them as classic/timeless songs that can be enjoyed for generations?
Radiohead never sold too well but their legacy is more in tact than Nickelback who sold more than them on one album.
Sales shouldn't be discounted so much either but there has to be a balance to determine quality.
Lol I agree. I’m talking about when people think something is objectively bad despite being widely celebrated by others. Subjective opinion will always remain
I feel you but i dont really see people at least on here trying to say stuff is objectively bad. Cause what even is objectively bad music?
Like if someone said Adeles music was trash thats just their opinon and how they feel about the music.