All y‘all need to understand that influence and credit isn’t a singular thing. Ye and Wayne both deserve credit

Most guys just liked the post and kept it moving.

Saying carter 1 wayne was jackingJay Z style might be the most ed thing i heard on this site, and that is saying something

if hiphop was a person it would be wayne

He has influenced just not ye level but thats to be expected in fashion

What she mean to me is what I mean to rap

Hov

The Kanye stans discrediting wayne here are DISGUSTING

you could, but you would be admitting I'm right. You're giving too much credit to an artist whose fanbase catapulted him to supeom moreso than himself.

Lil Wayne continued in the footsteps that Cash Money laid out before, reinvented himself by doing something other rappers had already done, freestyling off the top, Wayne has even admitted himself that Jay-Z's style is the one he focused on and took on when he switched to this style. 500 Degreez and Sqad Up era Wayne is around the time the switch was made. He had already been making a decent amount of mixtapes with them, so when he started to pick up momentum with his new style, he realized that cornering the mixtape market was a thing because 50 Cent had already been doing it, and i would venture to say that Baby pushed him to do this moreso than he realized it himself. Carter 1 sees Wayne using Jay-Z's style the most, and in between, freestyling off the top and punchline rapping increases, Carter 2 releases, and while it retains mostly in tact for the actual album, his punchline rapping increases. This is when a long string of mixtapes and the era known as prime mixtape Wayne era happens, and eventually leads to Carter 3, punchline rape fused with pop and rap into a beautiful culmination of album sales.

It wasn't Wayne that made him so successful, it was the shear dedication of his fans to go out and support his mixtapes by buying and listening to them.

His impact is his work ethic, this is what rappers for generations would come to mimic. The style is imbedded into it, sure, but that is NOT Wayne's to take credit for if we are being 100. He didn't create those styles himself, he took others and pin his own spin on them, which there is nothing wrong with that by the time it happened. It has become something that is widely accepted and even praised now.

I always felt like he is the stereotype of what u would imagine a rapper to be

try again

Man f*** all of y'all trying to discredit both of these Kings man

then you are racist

a rapper's stereotype is a d*** dealer snake for you?

Who is discrediting him

Kanye’s musical influence isn’t as black and white as Wayne’s. It’s there. But not obvious.

Anyone disagreeing with OP tbh

then youd just be showing your own ignorance. the Prefix is over Black album beats, he has went on record as crediting Jay- Z for helping him reinvent himself and admitting that he took freestyling off the top up after he got so frustrated with writing that he tore up all his notebooks and burned them all

I know all that and i know Jigga is one of Weezys main inspirations
But i never heard a BM JR from hov

No need I got it on the first take.

I'm not going to read all of this,sorry bro.

that would be more about the sound and flow

Mannie Fresh & Hot Boys i would credit for that, but it wouldnt be the same without Wayne making it for sure. The Flow is something like BG or Turk, and ofc Mannie did the beat so naturally it has that signature CM sound.