Jun 7, 2022·2 replies
rviit may be how the term is used in certain circles (i assume its just with professional singing type stuff since thats all i can really find) but it is absolutely not how the term is used in common speech. where vocalist = person who performs vocals
and like i was kinda saying earlier a distinction between the 2 terms is that there are different types of musical vocals besides just singing that people include under the word vocalist
at this point, it's starting to fan out into a sea of pedantic-ism in general and i don't really care lmao
we are not gonna start calling Thug and Future "vocalists" to be all cutesy and inclusive, it's insulting for other people who actually studied under a vocal coach and took lessons honing their voice for them to even be placed in the same class as them, it isn't the same thing dude. if you think it is and want to retcon the term for your own personal usage so be it, im just saying that's not how it's actually used in industrial and professional circles
- rvi 🐦⬛Jun 7, 2022·1 replycold mountain
at this point, it's starting to fan out into a sea of pedantic-ism in general and i don't really care lmao
we are not gonna start calling Thug and Future "vocalists" to be all cutesy and inclusive, it's insulting for other people who actually studied under a vocal coach and took lessons honing their voice for them to even be placed in the same class as them, it isn't the same thing dude. if you think it is and want to retcon the term for your own personal usage so be it, im just saying that's not how it's actually used in industrial and professional circles
its not about being cutesy and inclusive, its about using the definition of the word
we are not in a professional circle right now so I do not see the point to try to make that distinction (whoever originally brought it up) instead of using the definition thats good enough for Wikipedia. show me one definition used in a non-classical singing training that distinguishes vocalist from singer by saying that vocalist has to be classically trained. your definition is not the universal one used in every context
btw i hope you actually are laughing out loud a lot because you keep using laugh emojis and saying lmao like every post
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replyrvi
its not about being cutesy and inclusive, its about using the definition of the word
we are not in a professional circle right now so I do not see the point to try to make that distinction (whoever originally brought it up) instead of using the definition thats good enough for Wikipedia. show me one definition used in a non-classical singing training that distinguishes vocalist from singer by saying that vocalist has to be classically trained. your definition is not the universal one used in every context
btw i hope you actually are laughing out loud a lot because you keep using laugh emojis and saying lmao like every post
this is the second time you have commented on the way i write
@RVI im insecure enough alone niggaagain, vocalist and singers are discerned by who is classically trained and who is not in professional and music circles. im not saying you can't use the word how you want to or how it's "commonly" applied, if we are discussing music, and you say "X artist is a vocalist, rapper, singer" i take vocalist as in they actually studied and went through lessons to train their vocals down to technical perfection, it was never a catch-all term
im just saying it would be wrong, and it's being solely used to prop up people's favorite artists because they are insecure about the music they like and feel the need to blow it up by adopting terms that are usually used in a completely different way
- Jun 7, 2022
mr get doughAlso dont call it stupid bc its not stupid
Its not my fault u dont know what a session player is
u dont think session players count as artists?
- rvi 🐦⬛Jun 7, 2022·1 replycold mountain
this is the second time you have commented on the way i write
@RVI im insecure enough alone niggaagain, vocalist and singers are discerned by who is classically trained and who is not in professional and music circles. im not saying you can't use the word how you want to or how it's "commonly" applied, if we are discussing music, and you say "X artist is a vocalist, rapper, singer" i take vocalist as in they actually studied and went through lessons to train their vocals down to technical perfection, it was never a catch-all term
im just saying it would be wrong, and it's being solely used to prop up people's favorite artists because they are insecure about the music they like and feel the need to blow it up by adopting terms that are usually used in a completely different way
you keep just trying to state your opinion as a fact, show me some proof that is what discerns them that I can pit against dozens of dictionary definitions and millions of music discussion posts online. or else theres nothing to converse about because you just repeat what you claim to be the objective way that the words are distinguished
no comment on the last part i think i agree with some cases of that
i comment on the way you were writing because i think its funny when people say "lol' or "lmao" over and over when they are just sitting blank faced on the phone/computer lol. pretty obviously nothing to take personal
- rvi 🐦⬛Jun 7, 2022
btw i agree its a pedantic and boring conversation but you were the one who kept it going earlier
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replyrvi
you keep just trying to state your opinion as a fact, show me some proof that is what discerns them that I can pit against dozens of dictionary definitions and millions of music discussion posts online. or else theres nothing to converse about because you just repeat what you claim to be the objective way that the words are distinguished
no comment on the last part i think i agree with some cases of that
i comment on the way you were writing because i think its funny when people say "lol' or "lmao" over and over when they are just sitting blank faced on the phone/computer lol. pretty obviously nothing to take personal
ziprecruiter.com/e/What-Is-the-Difference-Between-a-Singer-and-a-Vocalist
indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/vocalist-vs-singer
differencebetween.com/difference-between-singer-and-vs-vocalist
and speaking of music discussion posts online...
quora.com/Music-What-is-are-the-difference-s-between-a-vocalist-and-a-singer
that's just how i was taught
i just dont see the point in including an entirely different word for a singer, if vocalist doesn't imply anything else other than singing - rvi 🐦⬛Jun 7, 2022·1 replycold mountain
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/e/What-Is-the-Difference-Between-a-Singer-and-a-Vocalist
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/vocalist-vs-singer
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-singer-and-vs-vocalist/
and speaking of music discussion posts online...
https://www.quora.com/Music-What-is-are-the-difference-s-between-a-vocalist-and-a-singer
that's just how i was taught
i just dont see the point in including an entirely different word for a singer, if vocalist doesn't imply anything else other than singingYeah it looks like the distinction is in singing communities/teaching type stuff. Even in that Quora link there are people disagreeing though. I think even music hobbyists or no singers are gonna end up confused sometimes, I dont think I'd ever heard of that distinction tbh. I think it's 2 slightly different uses for the term that depends who is in the convo
Only time I'd really say vocalist is when I'm talking about someone who either partially or complete uses non singing vocals. Because singer doesn't really describe someone who is screaming or something
- Jun 7, 2022Delete Delete
Vocalist implies classical training and a focus on technique. Someone like Future calling themself a vocalist would be pretty insulting to a lot of people.
This is 100% true and if you don’t understand this point read a textbook
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replycold mountain
that's how the term is used man. there would be no point in distinguishing a singer from a vocalist at that point
what @RVI said
that’s how the term is used among classically-trained vocalists but that’s like saying “the industry always implies the music industry because people in the music industry use that as short-hand”
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replycold mountain
at this point, it's starting to fan out into a sea of pedantic-ism in general and i don't really care lmao
we are not gonna start calling Thug and Future "vocalists" to be all cutesy and inclusive, it's insulting for other people who actually studied under a vocal coach and took lessons honing their voice for them to even be placed in the same class as them, it isn't the same thing dude. if you think it is and want to retcon the term for your own personal usage so be it, im just saying that's not how it's actually used in industrial and professional circles
this might be the most pretentious post ever posted on the site
- Jun 7, 2022NothingIs
what @RVI said
that’s how the term is used among classically-trained vocalists but that’s like saying “the industry always implies the music industry because people in the music industry use that as short-hand”
yeah but that would only apply if it was devoid of context
if we're talking about music among professionals and you mention the word vocalist, you're going to naturally assume a vocalist is someone who was professionally and technically trained versus a layman or a dabbler for that matter
otherwise, there's zero point for the word itself to even exist lol
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replyNothingIs
this might be the most pretentious post ever posted on the site
well i guess it's pretentious then, idk what to tell you lmao, i actually took a year of singing lessons and am actually studying piano now
i wouldn't just pull something out of my ass and speak authoritatively on something that i have no sort of actual background in 
Jun 7, 2022Future even can't sing fr.
- Jun 7, 2022·2 repliescold mountain
well i guess it's pretentious then, idk what to tell you lmao, i actually took a year of singing lessons and am actually studying piano now
i wouldn't just pull something out of my ass and speak authoritatively on something that i have no sort of actual background ini believe you’re telling the truth about your experience, but i also believe that singing teachers & a lot of classical music instructors in general are some of the most pretentious people on the planet, so it makes sense that they’d tell you something so pretentious
- Jun 7, 2022·1 replyNothingIs
i believe you’re telling the truth about your experience, but i also believe that singing teachers & a lot of classical music instructors in general are some of the most pretentious people on the planet, so it makes sense that they’d tell you something so pretentious
that works - Jun 7, 2022·3 repliescold mountain that works
i’m just speaking from my own experience with that type of person, they all think like this guy, even if they don’t say the things he said out loud
Jun 7, 2022·1 replyNothingIsi believe you’re telling the truth about your experience, but i also believe that singing teachers & a lot of classical music instructors in general are some of the most pretentious people on the planet, so it makes sense that they’d tell you something so pretentious
lowkey true
edumist is right bout the distinction btw but it's only rly applicable in cultures like professional singing world, but i think he mentioned thatcommonly ppl interchange vocalist/singer when talkin bout bands n groups n whatever
anywho off topic vocal lessons gave me better range/breath control for sure but i basically dropped all the other techniques after quitting them bc i prefer the poppier way of singing
aint no one gonna karaoke with classical technique unless it's some hamilton nerds- Jun 7, 2022
my teacher tried to pressure me into not going to college so that i could do some conservatory program instead
would've ruined my life i aint about singing like that - Jun 7, 2022·1 replyNothingIs
!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E62iA6KCIQ i’m just speaking from my own experience with that type of person, they all think like this guy, even if they don’t say the things he said out loud"go get yourself a gig"
im crying yo this s*** gotta get sampled
- Jun 7, 2022cold mountain
"go get yourself a gig"
im crying yo this s*** gotta get sampled
who the F*** ARE YOU??? YOU NOTHING
- Jun 7, 2022·edited let's just say i got it in my bag of tricks still
bout to scare the hoes - Jun 7, 2022·2 repliesNothingIs
!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E62iA6KCIQ i’m just speaking from my own experience with that type of person, they all think like this guy, even if they don’t say the things he said out loudMans bragging about his Make a Wish being granted walking Bob Dylan on the stage like it means something. Nigga look like an Andre the Giant action figure.
