Don’t really see the two things as equivalents personally
When one consciously chooses to live contrary to God’s laws, rejecting His promptings to repentance, they themselves are choosing what the outcome of their life will be
Sound like any other legal system you know?
Depending on your religion, I think in Islam specifically, Hell isn't permanent, you have to do your time then you can go to Heaven. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.
This is correct - hell is a 'temporary' punishment in Islam insofar as you are not punished for eternity (unclear as to if you can go to 'heaven' after that period ends or the Islamic version of purgatory). The question becomes more complicated in Christianity because it's not even clear if 'hell' as we perceive it is prescribed to exist in the Bible. Far more likely that 'sinners' simply go to 'sleep' under the final judgement or that hell is merely a separation from god.
When one consciously chooses to live contrary to God’s laws, rejecting His promptings to repentance, they themselves are choosing what the outcome of their life will be
Sound like any other legal system you know?
The key difference imo being the State which enforces they other set of laws is not characterised as all loving.
Arguably an “all loving” state (if such a thing could exist) would abolish prisons and move only to rehabilitation type treatments
Imo Hell differs depending on the religion you subscribe to/if you subscribe to one at all, but is a temporary place before reincarnation (unless you can break the cycle in some way)
Depending on your religion, I think in Islam specifically, Hell isn't permanent, you have to do your time then you can go to Heaven. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.
In Islam there is no absolute statement that can be made regarding a person's status in hell, the duration, degree of punishment etc, whatever that it might be. That's on God's jurisdiction
Most of what you'll hear about this matter (which would be presented in definitive terms) as far as what nonbelievers would be subjected to etc or a particular misdeed is totally fanatic rhetoric with no real basis in Quran
Dante isn't sent to Hell as punishment in Inferno, he's shown Hell by Virgil so he doesn't stray from his path.
ah so some philosophical bullshit about the concept of living through hell and preservation and all the bullshite
Imo Hell differs depending on the religion you subscribe to/if you subscribe to one at all, but is a temporary place before reincarnation (unless you can break the cycle in some way)
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The key difference imo being the State which enforces they other set of laws is not characterised as all loving.
Arguably an “all loving” state (if such a thing could exist) would abolish prisons and move only to rehabilitation type treatments
God is a judge, first and foremost; his benevolence is righteous
No one will be cast into hell for doing something that they didn’t understand was wrong. However, anyone who acts against their conscience will one day have to give account for that
That’s benevolence; that’s fairness
if i get sent to hell its finna be Doom 2016 in that b****.
Imma pull a Devil May Cry
It’s not permanent because it’s not real neither is heaven
Earth is both heaven and hell
God is a judge, first and foremost; his benevolence is righteous
No one will be cast into hell for doing something that they didn’t understand was wrong. However, anyone who acts against their conscience will one day have to give account for that
That’s benevolence; that’s fairness
That all makes sense tbh, but i still have trouble understanding the whole process conceptually - i.e. why would an all powerful being with unlimited love for his creations even create a Hell, and create people knowing many will end up there
Brother, it’s the same way we have prison: it’s a last resort. God has no desire that anyone should be cast into hell, but He is a righteous judge
The whole "omniscient" vs "free will" thing is where the buck stops for me.
If the godbro knows everything and always had then why did he even bother to make non-believers if he knew they would just go straight to hell.
Seems kinda f***ed up.
That all makes sense tbh, but i still have trouble understanding the whole process conceptually - i.e. why would an all powerful being with unlimited love for his creations even create a Hell, and create people knowing many will end up there
Neither Jesus nor the Hebrew Bible endorsed the view that departed souls go to paradise or everlasting pain, so you have to approach it with skepticism. So I agree with your rational thinking
Neither Jesus nor the Hebrew Bible endorsed the view that departed souls go to paradise or everlasting pain, so you have to approach it with skepticism. So I agree with your rational thinking
interesting i didn’t realise that at all, where did the idea come about from then??
The whole "omniscient" vs "free will" thing is where the buck stops for me.
If the godbro knows everything and always had then why did he even bother to make non-believers if he knew they would just go straight to hell.
Seems kinda f***ed up.
Well God gives people so many chances to repent and receive forgiveness. He reaches out to individuals in countless different ways, prompting them to be reconciled with Him. He even sent Jesus down all so that we could have every opportunity possible to be saved
He’s doing a lot, brother, we gotta do the rest
Well God gives people so many chances to repent and receive forgiveness. He reaches out to individuals in countless different ways, prompting them to be reconciled with Him. He even sent Jesus down all so that we could have every opportunity possible to be saved
He’s doing a lot, brother, we gotta do the rest
Yeah but he knew before creation that millions of people would reject him. He knew he would send Jesus down. He knew Jesus would be crucified. He knew everything before it happened so why the f*** did he do it?
Nothing in the Bible supports the idea of a burning hell of torment. It is a false teaching. That’s why it doesn’t make sense. It’s a idea that has been misinterpreted from the original words of Sheol and hades and these original words only refer to the grave or being dead with no consciousness at all.
Cause the catholics wanted to get their bag and people needed to be afraid
The real reason is that Catholics have Purgatory which is time-limited and for people who are pretty much good but need some help. Hell is for people that really f***ed up.
interesting i didn’t realise that at all, where did the idea come about from then??
There are a lot of interpretations. One being God “created” hell when he threw the Devil and his demons out of Heaven with such power that they created an enormous hole in the center of the Earth
But you see the symbolism?
The plain answer to “who” created hell is that hell is not created, as it is not a place but a state of being. Hell became real insofar as sin entered into what God created
It’s a symbolic mental state. I do not believe it is a real, physical or metaphysical place