Jul 31, 2020·1 replyCLGWell God gives people so many chances to repent and receive forgiveness. He reaches out to individuals in countless different ways, prompting them to be reconciled with Him. He even sent Jesus down all so that we could have every opportunity possible to be saved
He’s doing a lot, brother, we gotta do the rest
Good point, but it doesn’t actually resolve Plants’ point about omniscience - if God is all knowing then regardless of his ability to do all that, the second he created us (or tbh even before then) he already knew exactly who, and how many, of us would reject all of that and end up damned regardless.
As Plants said, that does seem strange
- Jul 31, 2020·1 reply
plantsThe whole "omniscient" vs "free will" thing is where the buck stops for me.
If the godbro knows everything and always had then why did he even bother to make non-believers if he knew they would just go straight to hell.
Seems kinda f***ed up.
The Judeo-Christian "Jehovah" God is not actually God, that's why.
Jul 31, 2020Swz3000That all makes sense tbh, but i still have trouble understanding the whole process conceptually - i.e. why would an all powerful being with unlimited love for his creations even create a Hell, and create people knowing many will end up there
Your sense of logic serves you well. That’s why you are correct a loving god would not create Hell, and that’s why he didn’t and the idea is false .
Jul 31, 2020Indulgences I think
- Jul 31, 2020·1 replyplants
Yeah but he knew before creation that millions of people would reject him. He knew he would send Jesus down. He knew Jesus would be crucified. He knew everything before it happened so why the f*** did he do it?
I’m not going to regurgitate it, but have a read of this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology Under the Christianity header, and let me know what you think
Jul 31, 2020·1 replyYoung LVThe Judeo-Christian "Jehovah" God is not actually God, that's why.
The Demiurge/Yaldabaoth
Jul 31, 2020CLGGod is a judge, first and foremost; his benevolence is righteous
No one will be cast into hell for doing something that they didn’t understand was wrong. However, anyone who acts against their conscience will one day have to give account for that
That’s benevolence; that’s fairness
precisely
- plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020·3 repliesCLG
I’m not going to regurgitate it, but have a read of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology Under the Christianity header, and let me know what you think
Nah I used to be Christian I read all the texts and arguments I even read that exact page before. It's still not getting at the crux of my question which is why the f*** the godman would make non-believers. Like just don't do that? What kind of perverse god would make people he knows will go to hell and then just say "hey it's free will, it's not my problem"
- Jul 31, 2020
It is a part of bible prophecy that teachings of the Bible would be twisted to steer people away from God, that is why the modern idea of hell that was create from a false teaching exists. To make God seem cruel
Jul 31, 2020·editedIt’s really not that deep lol if you know better do better or pay the for consequences. It’s fair people just get frustrated for no reason grasping this concept
Jul 31, 2020·1 replyplantsNah I used to be Christian I read all the texts and arguments I even read that exact page before. It's still not getting at the crux of my question which is why the f*** the godman would make non-believers. Like just don't do that? What kind of perverse god would make people he knows will go to hell and then just say "hey it's free will, it's not my problem"
I get confused about the "choice" we're given. It sounds to me like a "my way or the highway" kinda situation
- Jul 31, 2020plants
Nah I used to be Christian I read all the texts and arguments I even read that exact page before. It's still not getting at the crux of my question which is why the f*** the godman would make non-believers. Like just don't do that? What kind of perverse god would make people he knows will go to hell and then just say "hey it's free will, it's not my problem"
That’s because he doesn’t make people that way
- plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020
- Jul 31, 2020·1 replyplants
Nah I used to be Christian I read all the texts and arguments I even read that exact page before. It's still not getting at the crux of my question which is why the f*** the godman would make non-believers. Like just don't do that? What kind of perverse god would make people he knows will go to hell and then just say "hey it's free will, it's not my problem"
I’m not following you. You think God makes non-believers at Birth?
- plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020·2 repliesCRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
I get confused about the "choice" we're given. It sounds to me like a "my way or the highway" kinda situation
Worship me or burn forever, love you btw.
- Jul 31, 2020plants
Worship me or burn forever, love you btw.
You used to be a Christian?
I’m not Christian, and even I know that’s not how that story goes - Jul 31, 2020plants
Worship me or burn forever, love you btw.
Sounds like a psycho girlfriend
- plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020·1 replyCLG
I’m not following you. You think God makes non-believers at Birth?
Before we go any further do u think the earth is 6k years old.
- Jul 31, 2020·1 replyplants
Before we go any further do u think the earth is 6k years old.
I’m not and have never been a Christian
Proceed - plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020·1 replyCLG
I’m not and have never been a Christian
ProceedI'm so confused.
- Jul 31, 2020plants
I'm so confused.
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- Jul 31, 2020LuJo
The Demiurge/Yaldabaoth
Jul 31, 2020·editedGojiraHell isn’t permanent g we don’t stay here forever
OMG BRO ARE YOU SAYING THIS WORLD IS ACTUALLY HELL
- plants 🌻Jul 31, 2020·1 reply
Wait why am I in this thread.