Slutdog

1y

I'm saying the morals don't come from religion, it's the other way around. It's something we evolved to have instinctively so that we could survive as a species. That is my point. Of course, as humans, we deviate from our instincts many times due to our consciousness. That's what separates us from the animals in the jungle. Many of the practices that you presented comes from belief systems, not instinct

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

you don’t know definitively whether or not the morals come from religion or not, there is no empirical evidence for your claim (which is part of the reason why moral intuitionism was abandoned) you can’t snatch the values of moral acts on the basis of a feeling or “instinct”, these things don’t happen or occur in a vacuum, they’re influenced depending on the environment irreparably

things like “instincts” and “intuition” are very malleable and are easily colored by cultural and societal contexts, im not even rejecting that for example Aztec sacrifice was borne out of a belief system, what i am saying though is that they felt that what they were doing was the good and righteous thing to do, a spiritual belief system isn’t even necessary, we can look at the Nazis

there is no universal feeling that derives from moral acts or give moral acts some sort of objective value, they are largely prescribed—that is why people say religion is important because it offers immutable morals completely removed from human intention (or you face spiritual consequences, that’s the agent’s dice to roll)

Slutdog

1y

It's a belief, not a fact. If they express interest, you can teach them but otherwise you shouldn't force your belief on them

Slutdog

1y

Brother you believe that God brought down a moral compass to humanity. Is this your argument?

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

So you want everyone to be atheist like you by default...

If you believe something is true and good why wouldn't you teach your kids? For some religions if you believe it then its no different from teaching history.

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

So you want everyone to be atheist like you by default...

If you believe something is true and good why wouldn't you teach your kids? For some religions if you believe it then its no different from teaching history.

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

you don’t even know my belief system dude.

and besides that, your s*** is no better even if i was to come from an Abrahamic standpoint really, you cannot objectively establish the moral values of actions based off of the way people feel about it

that’s like basic epistemology, you’re arguing like an evangelical w/ a Bible except you’re just doing it with “instincts” and evolution

Slutdog

1y

You apparently believe that we need a God that will condemn you to burning in hell for eternity to tell us how to be good people

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

literally never said this either

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

nah bro they want them to be “neutral”

as in “keep all the silly supernatural beliefs away and teach them about science”

Slutdog

1y

You apparently believe that we need a God that will condemn you to burning in hell for eternity to tell us how to be good people

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

Yep. Which is kinda weird cause its no different from being raised religious.

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

Not even all christians believe this....

Slutdog

1y

Only about 99% of them that follow the holy book. Nice rebuttal tho, you really got me with this one

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

Just not true... Not all christians believe good works get you into heaven lmao you just lying.

Slutdog

1y

I'm talking about the existance of hell

Pam Beesly

1y

bru i was scrolling that s*** 1day and saw bare ass titties, these kids gonna develop p*** addiction by age 10

Red Ruby Da Sleeze

1y

still not true
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-hell/

its like 70/30