Imagine cutting off Black on Both Sides halfway through because you saw this thread

rap is more a subgenre of hip hop

Actual

Hugely disagree on the Ye point. Ye always had the purists on his side from The College Dropout and the Mos/Taib connection. Maybe people didn’t consider him the nicest MC but I don’t remember anyone saying he wasn’t hip hop.

are you niggas crazy

i mean kinda

some people still cling onto C2 being his “best album” and C3 being the album he “sold out” pretty much

pretty sure he was doing a lot of features on pop singles, R&B whatever else at the time too

Been a Drake stan since 2009 but can u even really argue with this at this point

The problem with Mos Def’s angle is that Drake was a huge factor in reshaping Pop Music in his image by elevating hip hop to mainstream / commercial heights that previously hadn’t been reached

But nowadays I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say that the mall is beginning to collapse

@yasiin

Now THIS is what I’m talking about

Drake could learn something from these dudes

… yes

What if mos is just baiting drake so mos can drop a diss track

Dropping frequently doesn’t make you pop, I said that previously. That’s fine

It’s how you move & the intent behind your releases

Pop is popular music simply, in order for that to be the case you have to maneuver in a way were you’ll be seen the most

Wayne, Ye, 50, Drake, Kendrick, Cole, Wiz, Nicki all have adopted the formula of the pop artist at some point in their career

It’s not simply a sound, there’s a formula

You can argue that Hip Hop IS pop now & that’s a more interesting convo imo

It’s like an offshoot, it’s the pop version that strips out the cultural tenants basically

He’s basically the final form of the LL archetype

Back then the formula was different for the rapper, it made sense for the comparison

Ye was overlooked mostly because he started off as a producer, and nobody would admit he was nice like that. When he started using writers for his records, it was a wrap.

Everything I said was spot on, which is why you couldn't find any arguments against it and instead decided to attack me.

Let me ask you, just so we all judge your knowledge about the beautiful genre:
Do you think Drake is a pop artist and not a hip hop artist?

We had some great s*** in the late 90s

For the last sentence; Madonna and Whitney were the faces of pop during the time gangsta rap redefined black masculinity in music, so think of how pop must have been viewed at that crucial turning point

Been a snowball since then that never stopped

LMAO

Next, Drake writes a diss track that's mostly about Talib Kweli because he can't think of any decent bars for Yasiin

Then Yasiin goes in for the kill

What’s the formula that they adopted and how does it move on from being hip hop to being pop?

Isn’t pee more drakes thing

you know drake will respond since he beefing with anyone who say his name now