i’m a kanye stan and frequently talk to kanye stans i never see them do that

i mean we obviously think kanye is the best artist OAT but we aren’t on some “rap is crap” type s*** lol

Can't be possible

College Dropout and Late Registration were pure pure hip hop

Ye didn't get into other bags til Graduation

But I would say Graduation did birth a ton of rappers and publications today so you may have a point

I wanna disagree with op so bad but don’t want to read all that

OP - how does having to listen to people's s***ty opinions "harmful" to hip hop? I get what you mean, but I think you might be being a little dramatic.

I think there are music fans in most genres who think that originality/innovation is the main thing to prize vs the ability to craft a good/catchy song. Kanye is the rare artist who does both, so he attracts people who value both.

Also rap is not a monolithic genre - some people like some styles and not others. And that's ok.

Seems like I struck a nerve

This too. Ye is in that Outkast/Kendrick/Lauryn/ATCQ/Pharrell class which is just as hip hop as any other style.

Not his fault that petit-bourgeois whites are cringe as f*** 99% of the time

I blame the Watching the Throne podcast. They made people disregard Kanye’s work pre MBDTF as it’s not “experimental” (aka too black)

The majority of people at WestSubEver will have Ye TLOP Yeezus KSG in their top 5 Kanye albums.

So was he supposed to make more conventional and less influential good music because of s***ty fans?

just talking out ur ass for a whole paragraph
goofiest s*** I’ve read in a min

OP made a classic thread

Again op issue is with critics controlling a narrative he’s not coming at Kanye music itself idk why y’all bumped this and still managed to miss the point

Now they hate metacritic and pitchfork

Op on the money,ive never known any black person to really f*** with Kanye’s music like that. He marketed himself to be the token rapper,he really did.

Whooaaa...I usually agree with your takes but this is straight cap.

When Kanye first blew up, damn near everyone was bumping his s***. CD, LR, and especially Graduation. Plus, he rolled with Jay-Z and did a lot of beats on the Blueprint. And Dipset basically tried to jock Kanye's soul sample steez.

I can't even tell you how many times I heard Can't Tell Me Nothing and Flashing Lights bumping out of peoples' cars. Or how many times Gold Digger and Slow Jamz got played at functions I've been to.

Granted, 808's and Yeezus didn't really capture a lot of Black people too much but Kanye as a whole always have a big Black following. Obviously, he has tons of White fans too but Ye's fanbase is very diverse.

Hell, my older brother who works as a barber in "the hood" was the main person who told me that Donda was the s*** and he had me listening to the whole album in his car.

dumbest thread on this site. OP is ed

Yea,I was waiting on someone to call me out cause I knew I went a lil extreme with this one lol. His first 2 albums ( CD and LR) captured a s*** ton of black people and when I think about the black audience,I think about the hood,the urban demographic and I remember my hood ass cousins bumping Slow Jamz and Gold Digger,I also remember random people playing CD outta cars too. Plus Jesus Walks helped him crossover with religious older people,so that was a big accomplishment too.

Then Graduation comes,I feel like black people was riding heavy with Good Life and Can’t Tell Me Nothing but I don’t remember people around my way being like “this that s***”with Graduation(I’m from the south so bare with me,Lil Boosie was a superstar down south back then to the urban population,don’t forget Wayne either). Then with 808’s,everything went downhill from there,people knew about Kanye’s music but they didn’t f*** with it.(MBDTF was such a unique situation tho,that album is a true classic. I remember a dude in my class bringing the album to school with the poster and some girl in my class saying she watched the Dark Fantasy film and didn’t f*** it but later on that same day,humming songs from that. We have yet to have another album so masterfully made,it opens up closed minded people’s imaginations)

But pretty much everything else Ye has made after 808s is either too radical or the urban audience just doesn’t f*** with it. Of course there’s exceptions to the rule and with social media,you’ll see those exceptions a lot more often but I think the urban audience today f***s with his clothes way more than his music at this point.

Do you want to explain why or do you just want to complain

If this was his point then why was he arguing against people saying this statement applies to other rappers as well lmao

Lol top 10 worst takes on this site and coming from JIKBestAlbum

I love ye and I 100% agree wit you
He opened the door for casuals and artsy cornballs in rap