monza sp1 x

5y

lol how is he an old head instead of og?

an og is someone who puts the next gen on right?

em just signed 3 of the best rappers out right now (griselda) and that was recent. not to even mention putting on 50 cent

plus he did songs with don toliver, young ma, Joyner, juice wrld,

he's said a bunch of times he has no problem with new rappers, he just wants more rappers out that can rap

rhyming rhino

5y

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Holy s*** they got his ass in 4k

Russlio

5y

white propel over hate eminem to make up for their cornier white counterparts it’s not that harmful IMO that being said

he’s not top 5

xxxkidlalo21

5y

Top 5 for sure

babylon sherm

5y

The white propel is tasty tho 👀

JohnnyFive

5y

No one denies his legacy lol

monza sp1 x

5y

lol how is he an old head instead of og?

an og is someone who puts the next gen on right?

em just signed 3 of the best rappers out right now (griselda) and that was recent. not to even mention putting on 50 cent

plus he did songs with don toliver, young ma, Joyner, juice wrld,

he's said a bunch of times he has no problem with new rappers, he just wants more rappers out that can rap

dat guy

5y

imagine not being able to name 5 rappers better than him though

Bow And Arrow

5y

No one denies his influence

He's not top 3

Have a great day! :)

DonutHole

5y

"Idk why but the Eminem hate is super strong after this forum became KTT2."
The "hate" = people finding him overrated, his corny sometimes racist/homophobic/mysoginistic fans only acknowledging him as a top tier rapper, his corny lyrics, his devolution in music quality but ego stayed the same, not having any integrity (sold out after relapse, admitted that he sold out on that song with Joyner Lucas, who the f*** liked shameless sellouts)

"This man is relevant for hip hop and music in general for literally 20+ years, everything he does goes super viral, still selling and making numbers as f*** and it seems to still bother a lot of other artists."

He's white and he has been relevant because of controversy and bottom of the barrel shock value attempts (mentioning tragic events and celebs) - outside of that, hasn't impacted hip hop culture at all (only em could get industry backing whilst doing/saying all the f*** s*** he did, because his majority white fan base financed the antics)

"Eminem went through any kind of music consumption and reached top tier levels in all of them: mtv, cds, mp3, youtube, spotify etc etc"

• because he has a very loyal, we only listen to eminem rap music fan base, congrats

"He will be the one to be put after Big and Pac in a legends top 3"

-Never happening because flow wise he didn't invent s*** (accused of biting underground Detroit rappers

• biggie and pac were relevant to black people :
  -tupac for his story (black panther affiliation though his mother and being a member of the new African panther movement), his advocating for inner city black issues.

-Biggie for bringing back platinum plaques to the hood, his immaculate flow execution (likened to a jazz player) and all around iconic NY demeanor.

A better contender for n*3 would ne nas who's debut album is amongst the 4 only hip hop albums archived by Harvard (eminem isn't in there sorry)

"and not some clown ass rapper that just came out yesterday and y'all praise like f***."

No, the culture choses who they want to uplift, you skipped nas, jay z, outkast, pimp c, Kurupt, Lauryn hill, lil kim, mc lyte, wutang, a tribe called quest, queen Latifah ... to uplift eminem.
All these artist meant something to black kids (the south rising in hip hop, female rappers relating to the struggles of being a black women whilst ya boy was making racist songs about them ("ole foolish pride",), gang culture being documented and shown in its glory and more importantly in its destructive nature, diversity in hip hop culture with Asian and African influences, jazz/soul samples that their parents probably listened to)
hip hop isn't solely a game of numbers (he sold alot now praise him)

"We should be grateful that we can live in the same era as a living legend like Eminem"

No, celebrity worship is a dud besides there are hip hop legends that are dead that mean more to the culture than him alive (tupac's passed decades ago but we still share his interviews during these trying times as his words still ring true)

• he labeled himself the "Elvis of hip hop"
  "I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
  To do black music so selfishly (hey!)
  And use it to get myself wealthy" from the song "without me"

Well history does have a nasty habit of repeating itself, and today's world still makes it easier for white artists to prosper in a genre that isn't initially their culture.
Eminem is experiencing the sentiment some people had towards Elvis, today. And that's not our fault (paul wall and other white rappers who are down with the culture and didn't shamelessly sell out are still respected till this day)

"Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant s*** to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain" from the song "fight the power" by public enemy.

JohnnyFive

5y

Agreed lmao he wouldn’t even be in my top 20 if I made a list.

Raiden

5y

My answers aren't going to be super long like yours because english isn't my native, but I appreciate your effort ITT. Let me try to reply some of it:

"The "hate" = people finding him overrated, his corny sometimes racist/homophobic/mysoginistic fans only acknowledging him as a top tier rapper, his corny lyrics, his devolution in music quality but ego stayed the same"

You can put him out of your top 50 if you want, but I can't see how his rap abilities can be seen as "overrated", from a technical point of view and understanding what RAPPING means, they are perfect, maybe his controversial lyrics put the attention kinda away. And you say "racist/homophobic/mysoginistic fans only" with a derogatory tone, but what is the difference between his songs or GTA or A Clockwork Orange? It's just art, it's fiction, it's not meant to be true.

"(sold out after relapse, admitted that he sold out on that song with Joyner Lucas, who the f*** liked shameless sellouts)"
Yeah I hate this on him too, that's why I only listen to his discog until Relapse

"A better contender for n*3 would ne nas who's debut album is amongst the 4 only hip hop albums archived by Harvard (eminem isn't in there sorry)" - "No, the culture choses who they want to uplift, you skipped nas, jay z, outkast, pimp c, Kurupt, Lauryn hill, lil kim, mc lyte, wutang, a tribe called quest, queen Latifah ... to uplift eminem."

To claim that Eminem is the 3rd place I'm not relying on being a good artist/having good projects only (what Eminem for sure has). I'm putting mainstream relevance, longevity and recognition from the general public. Of course that those artists you mentioned are AMAZING and have their importance as well. Illmatic is my #2 album of all time, while my highest raked Eminem one is on top 40, no problems about that, but when comes to the public in general, Pimp C, Kurupt, Mc Lyte and even Lil Kim, has very low to no relevance, but never disrespecting their importance in music

cigaM

5y

lmao this kind of p****ole passive aggressiveness as the first reply to OP is why i cant stand this website

Raiden

5y

Eminem is the only rapper who can win a Grammy with Recovery

Never posting agai

5y

Played cod with this british dude and everyone was gassing his freestyles and I was thinkin I bet this dude only listens to early 2000s Eminem related hip hop. Dude starts rapping and first line name drops em 50 Dre and snoop. Moral of the story European people that know nothing about rap music f***ing love the shady aftermath era

Raiden

5y

My answers aren't going to be super long like yours because english isn't my native, but I appreciate your effort ITT. Let me try to reply some of it:

"The "hate" = people finding him overrated, his corny sometimes racist/homophobic/mysoginistic fans only acknowledging him as a top tier rapper, his corny lyrics, his devolution in music quality but ego stayed the same"

You can put him out of your top 50 if you want, but I can't see how his rap abilities can be seen as "overrated", from a technical point of view and understanding what RAPPING means, they are perfect, maybe his controversial lyrics put the attention kinda away. And you say "racist/homophobic/mysoginistic fans only" with a derogatory tone, but what is the difference between his songs or GTA or A Clockwork Orange? It's just art, it's fiction, it's not meant to be true.

"(sold out after relapse, admitted that he sold out on that song with Joyner Lucas, who the f*** liked shameless sellouts)"
Yeah I hate this on him too, that's why I only listen to his discog until Relapse

"A better contender for n*3 would ne nas who's debut album is amongst the 4 only hip hop albums archived by Harvard (eminem isn't in there sorry)" - "No, the culture choses who they want to uplift, you skipped nas, jay z, outkast, pimp c, Kurupt, Lauryn hill, lil kim, mc lyte, wutang, a tribe called quest, queen Latifah ... to uplift eminem."

To claim that Eminem is the 3rd place I'm not relying on being a good artist/having good projects only (what Eminem for sure has). I'm putting mainstream relevance, longevity and recognition from the general public. Of course that those artists you mentioned are AMAZING and have their importance as well. Illmatic is my #2 album of all time, while my highest raked Eminem one is on top 40, no problems about that, but when comes to the public in general, Pimp C, Kurupt, Mc Lyte and even Lil Kim, has very low to no relevance, but never disrespecting their importance in music

HURRY UP sab

5y

it’s not about having a few misses. it’s about how his discog contains albums so bad, you’ve gotta google who even approved of their release so you can file a complaint to their boss.