The producers who upload loops to those places know that they’re going to be royalty free, and won’t be involved in any money splits or anything so it’s not like they’re getting stuff stolen.

And there’s still 50000 beginner, YouTube/soundcloud producers who can use the same loops as the guys you’re talking about and make trash beats bc they don’t know how to make beats

Or someone who’s like I do it allll myself and then make bad stuff too

Like this joint niggas love?

Literally just the sample

Yal don’t call dudes who make beats producers

Then y’all don’t call people like Travis, Diddy, etc producers because they “can’t make the beats”

These artist can’t win

Pretty sure Cardo and Yung Exclusive just did the drums and 1da did the melody

But it’s like, who really knows, and who gives a f***? They essentially just did a 3-way collaboration and made a f***ing DIAMOND record

Right? Like bro they’re deadass doing a remix

It’s hip hop. The people that have a problem with this did NOT grow up on hip hop and u can tell

I dont think op is referring to sample loops because that requires chopping up the sample and etc. I think he's referring to the producers that buy fully completed melody loops and add drums on it and call it a day

Facts but some sample loops don’t necessarily require chopping up the sample either and there are examples in the thread of that. There are classic hip hop records put together by legendary producers where the samples aren’t chopped and flipped. That’s the same as copping a loop pack and programming drums under it right?

This is not a new practice lmao

Niggas have been doing this since hip hop inception

No ur right, if it's just an unchopped sample with drums added on to it. But I definitely feel like the melody loops that is done today is far more common and prevalent amongst the top producers, or in general, of this generation than it was back in the days

Yeah but u dont think it's done far more today ?

I have no prob with producers using loops but you can't be serious and think you're the hardest producer around when all you doing is using a raw loop, dragging a midi hi hat pattern, adding a clap and a generic 808 pattern. It's the ideal method to make beats for placements tho.

That’s true

It’s more so in relation to the increase in collaborative spirit in hip hop today in general. There’s less beef among artists n s***.

producers like Frank Dukes, who probably didn’t even grow up on hip hop, send out loops to every popping producer in the game, like Boi 1da, Wondagurl, Wheezy, etc. and they just collab and knock out hits. You can say that they are sampling Frank Dukes

The only real difference to me, is that there is no longer a need to “dig” for samples. Not when, people are sending them to you by the hundreds, or when YouTube/YouTube2mp3 exists

Ok if you’re adding a midi hi hat pattern, THEN that’s a problem

You might as well be using a GarageBand demo project, but there really aren’t that many producers who do that. And if there are, they’re not seeing any success

How is adding a midi hi hat different than using a loop? If you're making beats to land a placement it doesn't matter how the beat gets made.

There is a difference between a producer and beat maker. Both are important to the success of the end product.

Also people who criticize producers for using loops don’t understand the concept of loops. It’s not about it being a loop it’s about how you utilized the sound to fit within your composition.

Only difference between the past and now is that loop packs use to only circulate amongst those who were in the “culture” of music making. Now it’s mainstream and everywhere.

A loop is a sample, you can add a counter melody to a sample, but then you’re expected to be able to program drums really well to go with the sample. If you’re using midi drums, then what did you really add to the beat

You’re essentially pasting together other peoples work under a sample

Why not There are more aspects to being a producer than making melodic elements, s*** this isn't even a new concept. And a lot of the time loop makers get credit and points even if they were on splice despite "royalty free" so it's more of a collaborative thing

I’ve heard this same exact beat in atleast 50 different songs.

Some of them being Lil Baby’s own.

You don't have to really add any counter melodies to a loop or sample if it's fire already. With drum midis you can still change some things tho. I do not understand why it's acceptable to use loops but not drum midis lmao. Man producers are weird.