I don't disagree with you on that. The notion that we can rapidly unlearn the consequences of those structures is where y'all lose me.

Sure, given literal generations of teaching, we could maybe eliminate the vast majority of IPV. Society can't really run on these maybes though ... that's why suddenly removing police in a world that's filled with violent representations and structures would be disastrous.

maybe its you

Person A lives in a typical middle class neighborhood, has a steady income and employment.

They have no material reason rob anybody, even those wealthier than them, because their material conditions are met by society already. Sure, they might get jealous of the richer person, but it doesn't get to anything besides that. These people might cite potential punishment as a deterrent, in my opinion, because as you said, they have something to lose. property, their lives.

Nah

the fact that some dude is talking about s*** centuries ago and trying to apply it here as if the material conditions and structures of society were the same, the amount of resources was the same, and that the infrastructure to allocate those resources was the same is as asinine as anything i've ever seen.

Ironic that synopsis has so much faith in people to police themselves but he has no faith in the current system of government and the people that vote for it

Where is the correlation

Sure. I think it's easy to say that a world where everyone's needs are met would more or less eliminate crimes like robbery (then again, like nas said "some people have everything they ever wanted in life and never have enough" ... idk if you can get rid of greed with therapy).

The other stuff is where you lose me. See the last post I made.

not once you move beyond a superficial and punitive understanding of what justice is.

eh but are those greedy people out here committing armed robbery?

they might be committing another kind of theft but that's a whole other conversation

I think we should all be able to agree that if you have someone muted/blocked but continue to respond to them going against points they didn’t even make, them you’re automatically a hoe

that will not work

Enlighten me lol. Racism doesn't magically disappear because you abolished police. What stops a supremacist from beating a black person to death? Therapy?

How long does it take for your magical therapeutic solution to eliminate racism ... decades? How many lives would be lost in the interim? Now apply that to every other crime rooted in passion, prejudice, etc.

There are mechanisms in place for them to legally rob you, at least that's your perspective. In an egalitarian society they would resort to physical robbery to get an edge, no? Who would be there to stop them?

What stops a white supremacist from beating a black person to death now

The current system of government where candidates are elected by rich people who expect them to create/keep/replace policies that benefit them only and then that candidates time in office is spent appeasing those donors and not the people who voted for them? That system?

Get an edge over who?

Even if that little scenario played out, if they were caught they'd still have to give the possessions back lol

pdf in op was a good read. I think it's easier said than done...but with proper resources and execution, it could be done.

lot of cops be on the street for the most useless s***. white people who take advantage of their white privilege (like that girl Amy Cooper who called cops on the bird watcher) will lose their minds if they abolish police.

if it ever happened, just know those unemployed cops will protest and go apeshit like some ppl r doing now during these protests.

You think Jeff bezos gonna be out here committing armed robbery just because hes no longer worth 150 billion?

The threat of jail time. Yes, I'm aware some don't care ... but it's indisputable that lynchings have massively gone down in number.

You could argue that police shootings are a modern equivalent of lynching but

1. the numbers are lower if you account for population growth and

2. if racism = black deaths whether punishment exists or not ... how is your system any better than the current one?

An edge over the rest of society.

Man some real f***ing stupid posts in this thread. Some of y'all really live in a different world. F***ing delusional