Yes but I imagine a lot of it comes from working the most stressful job in America.

The stats for femicide are also high in Europe for example

ill read tomorrow but I want to say I was only commenting on what he was positing.

I'm not ignorant of intimate partner violence and its prevalence. I was merely suggesting that I don't think the idea of men going into some passionate, murderous rage because their wife wants to get divorced has a very high rate of occurence.

Why do you keep saying femicide?

"My point is that the THREAT of being jailed is what stops us from committing those kind of crimes. Adults get angry and murderous ALL of the time, for a variety of reasons. Just look at the number of people calling for certain politicians' heads- they'd probably go through with those threats if they met them in person, it's the risk of being thrown in a cell that stops us from wilding out."

this is a big one

My guy you ever play Red Dead Redemption?

The wild west isn't just a fairytale.

Violent criminal organizations could take over entire towns. And then they had to put bounties on people to incentivize going to get them.

Just look at Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. mfers post up unofficial road blocks on MAIN highways to stop people's cars to either kidnap them or rob them or both. No one stops them. There's no 911 to call, you just get robbed and are like 'welp, time to start walking in the direction of home'

That would almost certainly happen here, too. As long as money is an object, there will be gangs of people attempting to assert themselves as the dominant protectors.

Police are s***ty, but at least they have a reasonable amount of morals and oversight that they should abide by.

I don’t think you’re getting it. Of course European colonialism helped nobody except the whites, but the ENTIRE world was super violent since humans adopted a sedentary lifestyle. The mongols had depleted the population of the iranian region to the point that it didn’t recover until the 1900s. One of the deadliest wars in human history was entirely in China alone. Mesoamericans and were killing and cutting up thousands in the name of human sacrifice. Europeans were shooting each other over personal and family disputes. Africans were regularly engaging in war with each other over territory as was the rest of the world

That's fair. But as I explained later on, it seems impossible to prove/disprove the idea that the threat of jailtime prevents people from acting on criminal intent.

Is the idea that people are held back from committing crimes by the law really that absurd to you? You'd probably beat Charles Koch to death if there was literally no punishment whatsoever waiting for you

some of u have a weird understanding of history lol

Shut up loser

And America was built on genocide and slavery and everyone can own a gun, how would the situation be better there ?

That's not a tale from the bible, these things really happened

Abolishing the police would never work but system needs to be reformed

i think most people who would cite punishment as a deterrent would be those who also have no material reason to commit crime. I could be wrong, but thatd be my hypothesis.

That's the word we use in France and it seems to also work in english

Also, let's say I agree with you that deterrence is 100% irrelevant. There are still clearly crimes of passion that occur every day, somebody listed that statistic saying that three women are killed by their partners everyday.

What evidence do you have that mental health services could completely eliminate these impulses in people? Seems unreasonable to me. And even if that was the case, how do you make those services mandatory?

You are thinking that nothing else would change and that we would just go straight to smaller/no police. The money saved from this alone would help fund opportunities and hope for communities of people who have had none for decades

I'm not understanding this, can you rephrase.

I agree that the kinds of crimes prevented by deterrence are usually crimes where the person has zero "material reason" to do so.

I don't think it's an absolute mechanism though, rather people weigh the costs and benefits.

For example, I have a "material reason" to rob Sergrei Brin of millions of dollars in hard cash. However, deterrence STILL comes into play ... I'd risk losing my own property + life in jail, so I don't bother.

someone killing their spouse isn't necessarily a crime of passion.

Again, I think we need to look at the fact we have a society that to a certain degree treats women as and teaches men that women are second class citizens and subversive. We also have structures in place that trap women in abusive relationships. Gender roles play a factor in gendered violence

Also wym stop reading the Bible. My source for the world being violent has nothing to do with a book that’s not even historically accurate. On top of that, all of the wars in the Bible (Old Testament) take place in the Middle East so not even Europe lol