Jun 5, 2020·2 repliesAnyone who thinks police should be abolished is an idiot.
Jun 5, 2020·editedIt’s possible. It has to be a slow process that redirects funds to community based programs instead of having ppl that don’t live in the neighborhood police it.
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Crime isn’t random most of the time it’s ppl who have been unable to meet their basic need. We need to shift money from the police towards services that meets those needs. To fight crime we don’t need more cops; we need more jobs, more educational opportunities, more community centers, more mental health centers, and more of a say in our community functions.
Jun 5, 2020
Synopsishttps://www.autostraddle.com/police-and-prison-abolition-101-a-syllabus-and-faq/
If you want to actually engage with the ideas, you'll read through the stuff linked here. Right now, all you really do is respond with surface level questions and "well actually" any response. I don't think you're at the point yet where you're actually ready to listen to the idea in a serious manner since you seem way too willing to try and point out all the ways in which you think it wouldn't work. Abolition of police and prison is not some pie in the sky fantasy. It is an actual idea that has been talked about, studied, written about at length and been refined by serious academics and activists much smarter than the both of us.
The contrary is also a heavily studied topic
What’s the point of a discussion if we can’t talk about both sides of an argument?- Jun 5, 2020
Also what’s stopping people from forming their own militias and controlling territories that way?
Jun 5, 2020DEL_245yes the police brutality isn’t as bad but the systemic racism and overall justice system is f***ed. The same issues talked about itt relate to ones our indigenous community faces and the same abolishing police/economic reforms that were brought up in the aforementioned article would help in soothing those issues
the massive overrepresentation of Aborigonals in our prison system as a result of similar socioeconomic factors to America:
https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Community_Affairs/Completed_inquiries/2002-04/poverty/report/c13
Although poverty in Australia is evident among all ethnic groups, it is Indigenous Australians who appear most profoundly affected by poverty. Research has shown, over the past thirty years since the Henderson Inquiry into poverty, that Indigenous Australians are significantly worse off than non-Indigenous Australians, according to all social indicators...Not only is poverty deeply entrenched, the causes are complex.
432 members of the indigenous community have died in pig custody since 1991:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/01/deaths-in-our-backyard-432-indigenous-australians-have-died-in-custody-since-2008432
the distrust the aboriginal community has with the current police force:
https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-police-relations
and why do you think I am not concerned with other issues as well? It just so happens that we're on a form mostly dominated by American's, I've consistently been outspoken about issues pertaining to our country in other outlets
Im just wondering how you have time for it lol. Good write up btw. How do you feel about protests on the weekend? Personally im gonna be pissed if theres an outbreak. It will especially be bad if there is and the media makes a huge deal out of it and sets the whole movement back
- Jun 5, 2020Synopsis
You cannot reform an institution founded on slavery. They dont protect or serve the people and they were never intended to. Abolish them completely.
Except it wasn’t founded on slavery tho. Community based local law enforcement had been a thing for a while even outside of the US.
U.S. had the these in the 1600s in the form of Night Watches and the purpose was an attempt prevent crime, danger and disorder in the community.
The south specifically are the ones who started the slave patrols in the 1700s with the specific purpose of catching and returning slaves for obvious reasons.
So to say that it was rooted in slavery therefor it can’t be reformed doesn’t make sense because that’s a misrepresentation of the truth.
- Jun 5, 2020CactusJackSentYa
Anyone who thinks police should be abolished is an idiot.
They’re either willfully ignorant or live in a fantasy world inside their head
- Jun 5, 2020
There will always be crime even with increased funding to community programs. Humans are selfish and will always want “more”.
Jun 5, 2020sounds like an utopian dream but never achieved
Jun 5, 2020Reform
- Jun 5, 2020
Police reform is a complete fantasy or just more neoliberal bullshitting. The police have no system of accountability. We have seen they can get away with whatever the f*** they want to get away with. Enforce more rules on them and then what??? Ask them nicely to stick to it???
Abolish the police. The bulk of their job isn't even providing a solution to crime.
- OPJun 5, 2020MyLeftBrain
Yes what they have done can not be forgiven.
I don't live in the USA so I can't speak on it
But after WW2 in my country, we executed the war criminals from our own country whom had committed unforgivable crimes against humanity (the politicians washed their own hands as always though)While America brought over nazi scientists to work for them at the CIA
- OPJun 5, 2020CactusJackSentYa
Anyone who thinks police should be abolished is an idiot.
Read the link in the OP
Jun 5, 2020f*** no
plants 🌻Jun 5, 2020At least take 99 of the 100 billion dollar budget and put it towards something useful like ending homelessness, improving infrastructure, bolstering public schools, etc.
- Jun 5, 2020·1 reply
coltrupLet's drop this thread of conversation for now because it's going nowhere. Talk to me about the more pressing issue of crimes motivated by the violent hierarchies/oppression that exists in society rn.
sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deterrence-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf
u can find the source materials in the footnotes
some quotes
Ideally, from a deterrence perspective, the more severe the
imposed sentence, the less likely offenders should be to re-offend. A 1999 study tested this assumption in a meta-analysis reviewing 50 studies dating back to 1958 involving a total of 336,052 offenders with various offenses and criminal histories.
Controlling for risk factors such as criminal history and substance abuse, the authors assessed the relationship between length of time in prison and recidivism, and found
that longer prison sentences were associated with a three percent increase in recidivismSimilarly, being incarcerated versus remaining in the community was associated with a seven percent increase in
recidivism.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-prison-paradox_02.pdf
also read through this if you'd like and check out the materials they cite.
- Jun 6, 2020Synopsis
https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deterrence-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf
u can find the source materials in the footnotes
some quotes
Ideally, from a deterrence perspective, the more severe the
imposed sentence, the less likely offenders should be to re-offend. A 1999 study tested this assumption in a meta-analysis reviewing 50 studies dating back to 1958 involving a total of 336,052 offenders with various offenses and criminal histories.
Controlling for risk factors such as criminal history and substance abuse, the authors assessed the relationship between length of time in prison and recidivism, and found
that longer prison sentences were associated with a three percent increase in recidivismSimilarly, being incarcerated versus remaining in the community was associated with a seven percent increase in
recidivism.https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-prison-paradox_02.pdf
also read through this if you'd like and check out the materials they cite.
Will read tonight
- Jun 6, 2020·2 replies
I think their scope should be severely limited. I.e. highly trained and meant to deal with violent crimes. Not patrolling and looking for people smoking weed and broken tail lights
- Jun 6, 2020
Definitely believe in defunding them tho
Jun 6, 2020Yes abolish police
The streets justice systems is swift and accurate we don’t need cops
- OPJun 6, 2020Smoofer
I think their scope should be severely limited. I.e. highly trained and meant to deal with violent crimes. Not patrolling and looking for people smoking weed and broken tail lights
Exactly
- Jun 6, 2020
so sped