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  • Jan 27, 2022
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    AKFresh

    Amazon bad

    Yes and I'm not pro-amazon even a little bit. I don't support megasized giga-corporations like them. But it could be a good first opportunity for young people without much guidance.

  • Jan 27, 2022
    krishna bound

    if it was done as a more generalized recruiting program in a vacuum for people i don't really think it'd be as much of an issue (and many companies do this anyway - bootcamp recruiting), but trojan horsing essentially a recruiting program by pure virtue of capital & influence into schools desperate for money and pushing it as an actual curriculum because of an otherwise broken education system is pretty messed up

    Absolutely. It’s another project done under the guise of “sustainability”

  • Jan 27, 2022

    Do you think Amazon Academy will be able to defeat the Donda Doves?

  • Jan 27, 2022
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    krishna bound

    if it was done as a more generalized recruiting program in a vacuum for people i don't really think it'd be as much of an issue (and many companies do this anyway - bootcamp recruiting), but trojan horsing essentially a recruiting program by pure virtue of capital & influence into schools desperate for money and pushing it as an actual curriculum because of an otherwise broken education system is pretty messed up

    Is it not an actual curriculum though? They'll be learning about logistics with hopes of creating a high-school-to-Amazon pipeline, but they aren't forcing anyone.

    I fully understand the alarm of a mammoth business like Amazon paying their way into the education system, but as long as it remains exclusively about extending opportunity, I still don't see the bad side. Some schools could actually use the support of the brand, although its probably only the well-off and prestigious private schools getting this offer.

  • Jan 27, 2022
    OnyxShine9

    Yes and I'm not pro-amazon even a little bit. I don't support megasized giga-corporations like them. But it could be a good first opportunity for young people without much guidance.

    I understand where you're coming from but this really isn't the case here, especially if you look at the situation. The school system was essentially struggling for money and Amazon took advantage of this to swoop in and spread its influence. Now, I mean, logically, yeah, whether or not Amazon or the government is really at fault here is debatable. The fact that the government has failed so poorly in creating an actual education system that not just is this possible but that this is viable is a completely different conversation and I'd agree with that a***ysis separately. This isn't a recruiting camp or something though, it's essentially taking advantage of impoverished areas (almost 1/3 of San Bernadino is below the poverty threshold) in order to absorb labor than it is to actually equip or give opportunities - also hence why they do this by simply invading the school system rather than by setting up recruitment bootcamps + job fairs like every other company would do. While it's true that, yeah, you're right, it's better than many of these people not having any job or future at all, you have to look at the wider context here. This isn't just a situation of Amazon providing a recruitmen program like a partnered job fair or something (which is otherwise very common of course) - you can look at the course materials vice received; this course includes stuff like teaching anti-union rhetoric and manipulating worker motivation. It's crazy.

  • Jan 27, 2022

    We really having giant corps bleeding into public education in ten years. Business feudalism state coming close to reality lol

  • Jan 27, 2022
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    We can start panicking when they start offering #-year contractual education and employment offers to the young students, locking them into college courses and being forced to work for Amazon in the meantime - because that would be predatory.

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  • Jan 27, 2022
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    so we doing those company town things again?

  • Jan 27, 2022
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    OnyxShine9

    Is it not an actual curriculum though? They'll be learning about logistics with hopes of creating a high-school-to-Amazon pipeline, but they aren't forcing anyone.

    I fully understand the alarm of a mammoth business like Amazon paying their way into the education system, but as long as it remains exclusively about extending opportunity, I still don't see the bad side. Some schools could actually use the support of the brand, although its probably only the well-off and prestigious private schools getting this offer.

    And what happens after amazon fires you for taking too many bathroom breaks, or for being "too slow"?

  • Jan 27, 2022

    We need more blue collar classes being offered instead

  • Jan 27, 2022

    Seeing how the US operates from a foreign country is eery and weird
    Sorry for you guys

  • Jan 27, 2022

    Careers of the 21st century

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    Pedro

    And what happens after amazon fires you for taking too many bathroom breaks, or for being "too slow"?

    ...what? You mean, assuming you're just working at a job then? Then you get fired, or learn to pick up the pace... but that has nothing to do with this.

  • Jan 27, 2022

    Yea this isn't a general job. This is showing how to work with only Amazon

  • Jan 27, 2022
    OnyxShine9

    ...what? You mean, assuming you're just working at a job then? Then you get fired, or learn to pick up the pace... but that has nothing to do with this.

  • Jan 27, 2022

    The entire point of school is produce workers, but when a company brands courses under it's name it really takes off the veil and exposes the entire institution of schooling for what it is.

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    Yeah, the school is f***ing broke inside a high cost of living area and Amazon is pushing more people to work for Amazon lol

  • Jan 27, 2022
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    OnyxShine9

    We can start panicking when they start offering #-year contractual education and employment offers to the young students, locking them into college courses and being forced to work for Amazon in the meantime - because that would be predatory.

    part of the curriculum does technically include the latter

    students taking the classes are also required to participate in “work-based” internships at Amazon or a different logistics company

    part of the class is essentially squeezes labor out of students in exchange for school credits. they legally can't only require it at Amazon but that's exactly the point i was making in the other post - they came into an impoverished area and setup shop; there are no other logistics companies. Of course all the "intern labor" goes to them. Also, separately, I realize internships are a thing but let's honest - free intern work has always been a major issue, but while you can make some form of argument for at least work experience, this is like...putting kids in factories as an internship. That's not something you need "intern experience" in.

    and the #-year contractual education is definitely a thing. have you seen their "Amazon Futures" program? it's not exactly the same but basically they will cover scholarships for you in exchange for work guarantees at amazon. In a vacuum this isn't bad - in fact this is actually a good thing within our broken system, which is why many companies do it - but this is on top of everything else they do. it's a complete invasion of every aspect of society at once, and it's not like there's really enough conglomerates to compete with them as they do this; they essentially just form almost parallels to the actual government itself in this case.

    and i mean, again, none of this is in a vacuum. did you know amazon has a literal military sector as well?

    it's not a joke, they increasingly have every aspect of society capitalized on. and yeah, again, i realize much of this is only viable because of the failures of our society and government - i don't disagree - but this is increasingly more of a worry when, again, this isn't a neutral actor filling in where the government is failing; this is a profit-driven actor filling in gaps not for society itself, but to steer the general notion of society in a manner under which they can increasingly capitalize all aspects of such.

  • Jan 27, 2022

    Ah, I just read one of the articles.
    "Delving further into the somewhat dystopian concept, Futurism reported that students taking the classes are also required to participate in “work-based” internships at Amazon or a different logistics company. "
    There are the alarms.

  • blonded

    so we doing those company town things again?

    Might as well since no one wants to stand up to them.

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  • Jan 27, 2022
    krishna bound

    part of the curriculum does technically include the latter

    students taking the classes are also required to participate in “work-based” internships at Amazon or a different logistics company

    part of the class is essentially squeezes labor out of students in exchange for school credits. they legally can't only require it at Amazon but that's exactly the point i was making in the other post - they came into an impoverished area and setup shop; there are no other logistics companies. Of course all the "intern labor" goes to them. Also, separately, I realize internships are a thing but let's honest - free intern work has always been a major issue, but while you can make some form of argument for at least work experience, this is like...putting kids in factories as an internship. That's not something you need "intern experience" in.

    and the #-year contractual education is definitely a thing. have you seen their "Amazon Futures" program? it's not exactly the same but basically they will cover scholarships for you in exchange for work guarantees at amazon. In a vacuum this isn't bad - in fact this is actually a good thing within our broken system, which is why many companies do it - but this is on top of everything else they do. it's a complete invasion of every aspect of society at once, and it's not like there's really enough conglomerates to compete with them as they do this; they essentially just form almost parallels to the actual government itself in this case.

    and i mean, again, none of this is in a vacuum. did you know amazon has a literal military sector as well?

    it's not a joke, they increasingly have every aspect of society capitalized on. and yeah, again, i realize much of this is only viable because of the failures of our society and government - i don't disagree - but this is increasingly more of a worry when, again, this isn't a neutral actor filling in where the government is failing; this is a profit-driven actor filling in gaps not for society itself, but to steer the general notion of society in a manner under which they can increasingly capitalize all aspects of such.

    Yeah, I was typing my post at the same time you posted yours. I see the red flags now, but didn't want to go on a mindless "AMAZON BAD" hysterics like some are doing in this thread. Dude is asking about getting fired for using the bathroom, which has nothing to do with this.

    I still see two sides. While it is like getting free labor, isn't the experience to see what its like to work for them firsthand worth something? If nothing else, it looks good on a resume that you completed an internship in high school. And logistics are a field that generally require a bachelors degree to get into. All I'm saying is, if I was in High School and had the opportunity to work a few hours out of my week to get my foot in the door for a career like that, I would consider it.

    But again, I see the red flags. These are the consequences of mega-corporations acquiring the level of wealth and influence they do, and their governments not intervening to control it. I suppose the question becomes do I support the expansion of the company into the education system, and even if it means taking away some opportunity for high schoolers, I would probably say no.