I mean the bit where he goes on Murray's show and spells out how society did him wrong. The whole speech felt so on the nose and came off as corny to me.

@OP You're awful, Murray.

The whole movie was on the nose.

I know the film always gets this criticism but to me this scene specifically goes a step too far. It literally spells out the point of the movie and does it in a super clunky way.

Nah I thought it was great. It did feel like an ending to a tv show more than a movie

You wouldnt get it

The movie itself doesn’t even say anything, it touches on all these heavy social themes with the tact of an early 80s Saturday morning cartoon meant to sell toys while not integrating them into Arthur’s goals -

Hold up, what are his goals even? He doesn’t wanna be a social activist (pretty much says so himself) yet we’re drawn to people looking at him as one? There’s no reason for any of that to be framed as an important part of his journey if it isn’t even something he actually cares about...it’s just there

I feel u but it still gave me goosebumps

Joker is corny *

Whole movie was awful lol

You wouldn’t get it ktt

We lives in a society, don’t you get it!!!!

my friend told me he saw this movie 5 times

That’s the point lol, he stops being any kind of sympathetic character right here (not saying Phillips even intended this btw, I guess this is just how I see it)

When I got this spoiled for me I was like ew no lol, but in context I think it helps in turning him into a despicable villain. Cause everything after makes you feel kinda disgusted. “Why did I even feel sorry for this dude?”

Felt bad for Joaquin having to say that dialogue

Yeah. It’s a bad movie.

Some really solid technical aspects obviously, but I don’t plan on ever watching it again.

The scenes got such good tension too; is he gonna kill himself? Someone else? The crowd? And it does pay off but not without a cringe speech f***ing things up

whole movie was corny and on the nose though

Thanks for letting us know
This thread is so much better because of that information

When him and Joaquin fight

The film from the very beginning was a taxi driver rip off. Idk why you’re confused