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4y

Yo ban this guy lol

safe

4y

That’s what politics is

Like it or not the GOP is communicating far better w the working class than the dems

That’s why elections are even close

safe

4y

That’s very fair
I’d argue it still fits under presentation to an extent but yea I think the “fear” of progressivism is overblown and the truth is people just aren’t offering that clearly

Look at Florida w the minimum wage

65% support and yet Trump won the state

Bill Ackman

4y

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Also, the Green New Deal is kinda a disaster

Instead let’s focus on:

• investing in high speed rail

• transitioning to 90% + electric vehicles by 2035

• investing into renewable energy like solar & nuclear

• lowering corporate taxes and replacing them with a carbon tax

• abolish zoning and discourage NIMBYism by building more multiple-unit housing

Will all do wonders for climate change and won’t have all these ridiculous economic attachments to them. In fact, we can grow the economy and also prevent climate change simultaneously, it doesn’t have to be one or the other

Bill Ackman

4y

Tbh get rid of the minimum wage or at least enforce some sort of federal minimum wage scale that matches the cost of living in the area the employment is.

Like $15 in LA/SF/NYC is significantly different than $15 in rural Arkansas

Honestly I’d rather have no-to-little minimum wage and have UBI instead

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4y

If you say “working class” your white supremacy is showing

fmvp yzy vert

4y

If you say “working class” your white supremacy is showing

safe

4y

What lmao

safe

4y

Same
But getting rid of the minimum before UBI is in place is awful

And the fear of a $15 minimum is hilariously overblown by people who took one high school macro class

Bill Ackman

4y

Ban me for what? Having a different opinion than you? Stop being so miserable man holy s***

Stop derailing the thread and present a logical argument if you’re gonna say someone is wrong

Trolls are the worst man

Bill Ackman

4y

It would abolish private insurance which 1.) will never get through Congress, even with a Dem majority

2.) would cost significantly more money

3.) would kick people off their private insurance, this is America, we should have a right to choose

4.) all of those people who work in the healthcare sector for private insurance would be without jobs

5.) i do not trust the government with my well-being lmao

So if there’s another way to do this without these drawbacks, it’s obviously better

And like I said, if the government provided healthcare turns out to actually be better like Bernie believes, everyone will want it and private insurance will either have to lower costs & up the quality, or it will be phased out altogether and everyone will be covered via the government provided insurance.

BasedBoy

4y

I'm centre-left (in the US)

Defund the police - Agree with the idea, terrible slogan though. If you have to explain what you mean by this, you've already lost.

M4A - Would never pass Congress, also not sure about the constitutionality of banning private insurance. Adding a public health insurance option (Like Pete's Medicare-For-All-Who-Want-It) would naturally lead to a single-payer market with some stragglers on private insurance if it's truly more efficient.

Schooling for all - I have mixed feelings. Making all 4 year schools free sounds great, but then you have a lot of kids from middle-class and upper-class schools who ordinarily would have gone to private school due to scholarships, now going to public schools because they're free. And schools only have so many slots, so the students who are getting pushed out here are gonna be the students from schools were they don't have the same opportunities to do extracurriculars and AP classes and stuff. I think making community college free and encouraging them to have fully online degree options to uncap enrollment would be nice,

Student debt removal - The bottom 20% of income earners in the US own 4% of the student loan debt, the top 20% own 30% of it. This is actually a handout to wealthier people if it isn't means tested.

Green New Deal -

Literally doesn't do anything. 100% performative legislation

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4y

Dumb ass post lmfaoo

Synopsis

4y

You fired off way too many s*** posts in a row

BasedBoy

4y

I'm centre-left (in the US)

Defund the police - Agree with the idea, terrible slogan though. If you have to explain what you mean by this, you've already lost.

M4A - Would never pass Congress, also not sure about the constitutionality of banning private insurance. Adding a public health insurance option (Like Pete's Medicare-For-All-Who-Want-It) would naturally lead to a single-payer market with some stragglers on private insurance if it's truly more efficient.

Schooling for all - I have mixed feelings. Making all 4 year schools free sounds great, but then you have a lot of kids from middle-class and upper-class schools who ordinarily would have gone to private school due to scholarships, now going to public schools because they're free. And schools only have so many slots, so the students who are getting pushed out here are gonna be the students from schools were they don't have the same opportunities to do extracurriculars and AP classes and stuff. I think making community college free and encouraging them to have fully online degree options to uncap enrollment would be nice,

Student debt removal - The bottom 20% of income earners in the US own 4% of the student loan debt, the top 20% own 30% of it. This is actually a handout to wealthier people if it isn't means tested.

Green New Deal -

Literally doesn't do anything. 100% performative legislation

Bill Ackman

4y

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Also, the Green New Deal is kinda a disaster

Instead let’s focus on:

• investing in high speed rail

• transitioning to 90% + electric vehicles by 2035

• investing into renewable energy like solar & nuclear

• lowering corporate taxes and replacing them with a carbon tax

• abolish zoning and discourage NIMBYism by building more multiple-unit housing

Will all do wonders for climate change and won’t have all these ridiculous economic attachments to them. In fact, we can grow the economy and also prevent climate change simultaneously, it doesn’t have to be one or the other

soccerfanj

4y

this is a discussion thread my brother. pls elaborate in this thread (no two word jabs)

soccerfanj

4y

I see nothing wrong with this????

The green new deal will be bringing more jobs in the US tbh.

safe

4y

Agree w everything but number 5

Green new deal is a framework but there’s policy within that framework that costs money

And frameworks are important in terms of government policy

m FREE PALESTINE x

4y

hi, moderate

AFAIK most people support those policies, but vote against their own interests due to right-wing propaganda

Guess what? Most people are for health-care coverage for pre-existing conditions, and being able to stay on their parents insurance.

You know what they hate? Obamacare.

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4y

I mean literally everything hes posted is just wrong, bad or faulty logic lol

soccerfanj

4y

we need more than a trump style "wrong!" (im on your side but come on)