Smacked Voodoo

5y

Imagine putting any sort of faith into white suburban liberals...

Smacked Voodoo

5y

So appeal to the group of people who have historically never had to worry about these kinds of issues...

Synopsis

5y

you think its an awful slogan because you don't want to defund the police. just be honest lol

The Young Blizzard

5y

Tell me how you’d sell “defund the police” to rural farm workers in Iowa and Missouri

Synopsis

5y

Where is the proof

Smacked Voodoo

5y

Simple. Defund the police.

Knock it off with this "respectability" s*** man. Niggas been trying that s*** well before you and I were even born and you see where it's getting us.

You try to say s*** to appeal to groups of people who don't have to experience a particular reality and they still gonna try to manipulate your demands. We've seen this s*** too many times to still be tryna play the "Let's not scare the white folk!" game.

KOL Meezy Mestizo

5y

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said it before, and I'll say it again. The last time defund was in the american political consciousness was when members of the GOP wanted to defund planned parenthood. And defund meant NO funding.

like in 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3134/text

in 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/369/text

and in 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/541/text?r=6&s=1

The Young Blizzard

5y

Look, while I believe we do need to have police reform (demilitarization, end qualified immunity, decriminalize d**** and s***work, sending mental health & social workers) the slogan itself is f***ing awful

It sounds like something the far right would come up with to scare rural voters, it has the same ring as “the democrats are going to take your guns” To defund = abolishment to these people.

It’s horrible to call it this way, 2020 showed how important getting the votes from suburban moderates are we can’t kneecap ourselves and have this s*** messaging.

I’m specifically referring to the branding and messaging of the slogan, these principles associated with it I mentioned above are important, but call it anything else, please

The Young Blizzard

5y

😂😂😂

You really think folks who talk about backing the blue and blue lives matter are gonna give you any time of day when you say “defund the police”?

Smacked Voodoo

5y

And you really think the average white suburban liberal is going to know or care about what you mean when you say "Reallocate police funding"?

Defund the police literally means the exact same f***ing thing and has the same exact f***ing goal and people still push back against it.

KOL Meezy Mestizo

5y

said it before, and I'll say it again. The last time defund was in the american political consciousness was when members of the GOP wanted to defund planned parenthood. And defund meant NO funding.

like in 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3134/text

in 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/369/text

and in 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/541/text?r=6&s=1

Mango

5y

Actually this means no federal/state funding. So "Defund Planned Parenthood" is actually a bad slogan because it requires a minimum amount of nuance.

Smacked Voodoo

5y

I promise you. NONE of that s*** is working

nightingalexo

5y

The slogan didn't matter as much as you think imo.

Whatever method of effective police reform suggested was always going to be divisive.

It's been made clear for decades that US police forces are trigger-happy and institutionally corrupt.

Incremental policies for reform either do little to change that 1, or are snuffed out in the process by the very people they're supposed to hold to account 2

White Americans were talking about "I see you. I hear you. We're listening." all last summer

As soon as the people they were 'listening' to started suggesting ideas for actual change, not just the same old policies half-heartedly implemented for decades that do next to nothing in practice, all that went out the window

KOL Meezy Mestizo

5y

No federal funding. But it's on the federal level, so that distinction should be obvious