im not the one who wrote about creating a government of direct democracy, just to have centrist. that was OP. the discourse that followed was the logical end.

i think theres a lot more to talk about with this than the usual left right centrist trichotomy but if you think that its a railroad with one ending you do u

@SomeRandomNob Op watch this series to understand why your terms are incorrect definitions and have a real understanding of capitalism

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmtuEaMvhDZbNVIDHA-MTVH0sLb5HP7Pn2

I think the conversation about direct democracy is interesting and if thats the best project to take under socialism, but why tf would you do something so radical, just to enact "centrist" policies lol like what.

it's a literal contradiction of terms

HELL F***ING NO LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Y’all need to go talk to some people outside about politics and you will quickly realize why this must NEVER happen

OP are you a first year political science student lmao that is naive af 😭😭😭

Abolishing capital will do nothing to increase the individuals altruism, it will simply redirect their greed into other avenues.

The solution to the problems caused by capitalism are strict sanctions and repercussions for breaking them.

Is capital the reason people rape others? Is it the reason we cheat on our loved ones? Is it why we kill each other? Is capital really the root cause of for example slavery, or is it the result of someone wanting something and being willing to hurt others to get it?

There's two solutions, preventative and consequential. We increase mental health services and public education, and we make sure those who hurt others in the pursuit of capital are punished for it, therefor dissuading others from doing the same.

Would a lot of problems be solved by abolishing capital? Yes, in the short term. But more problems will be caused by it than solved, the social services and economy will crumble and the individual will only become more greedy.

Because centrist policies are the most efficient way to govern a country, and im sick of our country being held hostage by two small extremist parties. Why would you do something so revolutionary only to immediately exclude half of your population?

Literally the only argument against direct democracy y'all have come up with in three pages is "But what if everyone's a lazy idiot?"

Like you do realize you're part of everyone right? Y'all walk around with weird ass extremist ideologies then look at the majority of the world thinking they're dumb, like you're part of everybody dude. You're not dumb and neither is everyone else, we just all have trouble understanding each other and seeing the validity in each others arguments and opinions.

Statistically speaking, most of us aren't dumb, if you think otherwise you're that dumb minority. Only when most of our country believes most of our country is stupid, does our country become stupid. Have faith in your fellow citizens for fricks sake, they're human beings just like you and I.

I appreciate a lot of the constructive comments but most of them are either simply insults or completely off topic.

op i've doing this political science s*** for a long ass time. I've worked with and for community organizers, local governments, political campaign strategists at many levels (not to get anyone in office I'm a socialist), education unions, done voter focus groups and all kinds of other s***.

You are not making any sense plz stop.

Claims he was a marxist, yet believe the US has two extremist parties. wild to me.

That's a fair point, the liberal party has been quite centerist lately, too centerist for my centerist liking. It's more accurate to say they're extremely bias. Although, to be fair, bernie almost won and he wasn't too far left, but not right enough in his ability to come up with economically plausible policies, even though he was my favorite candidate out of them all. You see it's not left vs right, you can and need to do both at once. My point is that both parties have bias towards one or the other.

The left still fails to be centrist in an efficient way, just in a populist manner.

You: I'm smart, I've done like 8 things, trust me you're wrong

Ok but like, make an actual argument. Use your brain, don't just assume I'm wrong because I believe something different than you.

that s*** happened pages ago you ignored it

Your only argument was that direct democracy is a leftist idea not a centrist idea, which is fine because I'm a centrist who leans to the left, but I believe in direct democracy more than I do my affiliation to centerism or the left, it's simply something others are accusing me of being.

Unless I just can't find it, you haven't made a single criticism of direct democracy.

Also ur youtube link shows an error.

no such thing as centrists

my guy this is the political science equivalent of 2+2=5. You can't believe in direct democracy and be a centrist because you can't be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time.

usa has two right wing major parties lmao

You keep saying nothing...

You can believe in direct democracy and be a centrist at the same time, direct democracy is not inherently tied to the contemporary definition of left and right and center, it transcends them. Furthermore, I think right, left and center are useless, stupid terms that shouldn't be used, since they don't really mean anything, they've lost most of their meaning and have been taken over by two organizations who turn it into whatever they want it to be that election cycle. I really shouldn't have used them as much as I did today.

Make a real argument instead of just making insane, nonsensical generalizations without any justification or explanation. At least I'm explaining my logic and thought process instead of just saying "lol direct democracy is better, google it".

direct democracy is impossible under centrism because centrism is capitalist which is anti democractic. There is no logical argument in op. What is being described in the op is impossible, it is a contradiction.

Also considering you think the center is useless I don't understand why this thread was made

this lol

how would you even have direct democracy under capitalism? you couldn't. the capitalist class would have to find ways to suppress the working class

its definitely possible on a smaller scale

Capitalism is anti democratic? What is sanctioned capitalism was voted for by a direct democracy. Are you seriously telling me that the existence of capital invalidates democracy, even when the majority have direct control over their own capital and how its distributed?

Directly democratically implemented and sanctioned capitalism is democratic in nature. The definition of democracy is the people controlling the government, so if the people control the flow of capital, it's democratic. I've proved you wrong.

I consider the labels to be meaningless, I think we should use real names like communism or anarco-capitalist, but centerism still has it's place as a word used to define a government structure that takes lessons from all political ideologies and tries to build a government that reflects the needs and concerns of all of them.