Direct Democracy

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  • Oct 27, 2020
    SomeRandomNob

    holy f*** dude get your communist bullshit out of here, you're really making me rethink my opinion that the majority of people are smart.

    I dont f***ing care about centerism vs right vs left, im talking about direct democracy. If you want to use direct democracy to enact communism, go ahead. You're derailing the entire thread.

    LMAO

  • Oct 27, 2020
    SomeRandomNob

    holy f*** dude get your communist bullshit out of here, you're really making me rethink my opinion that the majority of people are smart.

    I dont f***ing care about centerism vs right vs left, im talking about direct democracy. If you want to use direct democracy to enact communism, go ahead. You're derailing the entire thread.

    Based

  • Oct 27, 2020
    nocomment

    Why would it be any harder?
    Agreed with second point to a degree but where do you draw the line on whats political and whats not? Everything can have a political aspect

    Because it costs more to get an ad in front of 300 million people than it does to get in front of one rich person.

    You're right though, it'd be a mess to regulate. I simply have faith in peoples ability to discern fact from fiction. Having worked in advertising, it can only do so much. I was probably just bad at my job though :')

  • Oct 27, 2020
    Bill Ackman

    “When the government does things it’s socialism and when the government doesn’t do things it’s capitalism” - most leftists online

    I can't speak on that with no data

  • Oct 27, 2020
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    SomeRandomNob

    honestly, I think I failed to word my OP in the way I should have. As annoying as these arguments are, I've learned what to focus on when discussing direct democracy. Sorry for getting a little hot headed in the end, I do believe direct democracy is the best solution for everyone on the political spectrum, and I hope y'all consider the idea a little more.

    Maybe for smaller issues like legalizing weed could be popular vote. but thats about it imo

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    Snow Tha GOAT

    Maybe for smaller issues like legalizing weed could be popular vote. but thats about it imo

    Iraq war, NSA, murdering innocent world leaders, martin luther kings assassination by the cia, the war on d****, testing d**** on random innocent citizens, it'd end all lobbying and give the government 10000x more people to work on theoretical problems with. Not small problems.

  • Oct 27, 2020
    Stay Healthy

    as that town inevitably interacts with big capital it loses it's democracy. The big picture has to operate with the smaller one. But I like this answer cause it forces people to consider wtf "direct democracy" actually means

    yea i kinda agree. but some of yall on the left think having a boss is undemocratic etc so yall will never be happy with most forms of capitalism

  • HURRY UP sab 🧔🏻
    Oct 27, 2020
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    Synopsis

    @sab i thought you banned this shill.

    i did but he hmu on twitter saying how he’s really not a shill & he’ll act less shillish, so i decided to give him another chance. we’ll see how long that lasts 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    SomeRandomNob
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    Iraq war, NSA, murdering innocent world leaders, martin luther kings assassination by the cia, the war on d****, testing d**** on random innocent citizens, it'd end all lobbying and give the government 10000x more people to work on theoretical problems with. Not small problems.

    no lol. war shouldnt be put to popular vote 💀💀

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    HURRY UP sab

    i did but he hmu on twitter saying how he’s really not a shill & he’ll act less shillish, so i decided to give him another chance. we’ll see how long that lasts 🤷🏻‍♂️

    thanks bro, just a passionate volunteer for the Biden campaign

    Originally was a Pete supporter 🥰

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    Snow Tha GOAT

    no lol. war shouldnt be put to popular vote 💀💀

    So you're gonna let one dude decide whether or not you get drafted? I don't even trust Obama with that and I love obama. I'd trust the general public to choose whether or not it's worth it to go to war over some random dude in an office who won't ever see the battlefield.

    This is the responsibility that comes with direct democracy, we will actually have to hold efficient political beliefs or we will fail, we can't afford to be stupid in a direct democracy, it will make us smarter.

    Where as in a representative democracy, a representative can ruin the country and keep their same pay rate, there's no reason to correct, nor is there a reason to improve the country, since they're getting paid well, why risk messing that up?

  • Oct 27, 2020
    Snow Tha GOAT

    no lol. war shouldnt be put to popular vote 💀💀

    😭😭 twitter polls to decide the nukes

  • HURRY UP sab 🧔🏻
    Oct 27, 2020
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    Bill Ackman

    thanks bro, just a passionate volunteer for the Biden campaign

    Originally was a Pete supporter 🥰

    as a person, yikes

    but as a mod, my actions on here gotta be unbiased

  • Oct 27, 2020
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    HURRY UP sab

    as a person, yikes

    but as a mod, my actions on here gotta be unbiased

    lmao i could tell from your twitter that you were a bernie bro

    it’s ok we all have our faults

    but yep, appreciate it ☺️

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    maybe if you had 80% of vote or more thats different but a popular vote where u just need majority is terrible

  • Oct 27, 2020
    Snow Tha GOAT

    maybe if you had 80% of vote or more thats different but a popular vote where u just need majority is terrible

    I've considered having elections require 66% or more of the vote instead of 50%

  • HURRY UP sab 🧔🏻
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    Bill Ackman

    lmao i could tell from your twitter that you were a bernie bro

    it’s ok we all have our faults

    but yep, appreciate it ☺️

    yea Bernie trash asf, complete sellout

    capitalists always talk about how far left Bernie is, but Bernie was the compromise. he’s slightly left of center, but when your entire country’s politics lean to the far right, even centrism seems far left

  • Oct 27, 2020
    HURRY UP sab

    yea Bernie trash asf, complete sellout

    capitalists always talk about how far left Bernie is, but Bernie was the compromise. he’s slightly left of center, but when your entire country’s politics lean to the far right, even centrism seems far left

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    Snow Tha GOAT

    maybe if you had 80% of vote or more thats different but a popular vote where u just need majority is terrible

    yea this thinking needs international relations settled before it even takes place. How different "direct democracies" interact with one at multiple levels (national and subnational) would need organizing as well as the effect of having a new decision overturn a former one but I do think there are some good principals in the idea and generally the people that live locally have a far better understanding as to what to do with their community than stronger political powers that rule it essentially as foreigners.

  • Oct 27, 2020
    HURRY UP sab

    yea Bernie trash asf, complete sellout

    capitalists always talk about how far left Bernie is, but Bernie was the compromise. he’s slightly left of center, but when your entire country’s politics lean to the far right, even centrism seems far left

    well yea bernie is far left for usa politics

    hes def not just slightly left of center 💀💀cmon now he center left for sure

  • Stay Healthy

    yea this thinking needs international relations settled before it even takes place. How different "direct democracies" interact with one at multiple levels (national and subnational) would need organizing as well as the effect of having a new decision overturn a former one but I do think there are some good principals in the idea and generally the people that live locally have a far better understanding as to what to do with their community than stronger political powers that rule it essentially as foreigners.

    OP is assuming other nation states in the international system will play within the same rules that his direct democracy espouses LMAO there is no way we are combating shrewd authoritarian regimes with this direct democracy nonsense. even now authoritarian regimes like russia and china are gaining advantages because democracies like ours refuse to get their hands dirty, especially when it comes to information warfare and cyber security. they're using democratic values against their own people to destablize the West. lmao we are way behind

  • Oct 27, 2020
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    SomeRandomNob

    First of all, compared to representative democracy, it's harder to brainwash an entire country that it is an individual. Second, perhaps we should enact some laws against political advertisements.

    that's censorship isn't it? we don't do that in a democracy.

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    blasphemous magz

    that's censorship isn't it? we don't do that in a democracy.

    Well if the majority wants censorship, in a direct democracy they'd get it, that doesn't all of a sudden make it not direct democracy. Although you're right, banning political advertisements isn't a perfect solution, it might not be a good idea.

    And why would other countries have to play along? Switzerland already practices direct democracy via regular referendums, I don't see russia planning to invade or the US planning on assassinating their leader any time soon. I don't see how representatives are essential to interact with other countries.

    These aren't flaws in direct democracy, they're unsolved questions in how we'd execute it.